Stick with my VIIC or get a IXC?

Grayson02sept1980 · 01-31-08, 06:18 PM

Hi!

Sorry if this has been discussed before and I just am too lazy....

ok... I have now reached the time the IxC is availiable and Alberich, too.

So far I have used a VIIC I got as I thought I stick with the smaller boat till I can get a XXI or one of the later IXs ...

But just right now I am so fed up with it!

I mean I raid a convoy and as the pesky escort seems to love me so much I give them back something... a small part of my boat...

but when I am done with the escort and fired the last torpedo it always hurts me to let the rest of the convoy get away as I simply have no Eel left and attacking surfaced with the deckgun also is not possible as most of the ships are armed well enough to give me a deadly blow; with a IX I could reload surfaced out of sight of the convoy... hold contact with the convoy and make a second attack run.

On the other hand the IX is more easy spotted dived than the VII ... but I am playing the first time GWX campaign... so I have not a real clue... speed is also an issue... the VII is slightly faster.
The higher range is not what I need... in fact I hate to be ordered somewhere around south africa and ship there just to find nothing...

I have 15k points and getting the new boat fully "updated" is not a problem... on the other hand I want to save up for the XXI but that will take some years till I can get that.. Can I make the 30k?

What is your oppinion? Get the IXc or stick with the VIIc (I started with a VIIb and bought the C as I thought to get Alberich and have a faster "sneaky boat... just that right now it gets anoying...)

Thanks for your imput.

CapZap1970 · 01-31-08, 06:52 PM

want my opinion?
Get yourself an IXC beast as soon as you can, you won't regret it...

CapZap

KeptinCranky · 01-31-08, 06:58 PM

yeh, I agree with CapZap, I'm not a IX fan myself but from what you describe of your playing style you definitely want a IXc, because all that fuel intended to get you to south africa can also be very useful in making it go FASTER!!

you can go about as far in a IXC on 12 or 13 knots as in a VIIc on 9 knots

and more eels and more flak earlier...

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-31-08, 07:00 PM

Take the IX, if it's only possible. It's an award to get such a boat as one of the first commanders.

I say "take it" not because it's better than VII - I just think you should have a try so that you learn which one you like more. It's a matter of taste in my opinion, and maybe of style of play. There are a few around who love type II boats and use them even late in the war, just because they're their favourite.

I remember an EU slogan: "Celebrating diversity". :rotfl:

JG10r_Bull · 01-31-08, 08:36 PM

Yep IX all the Way

u sound like u attack like me first run i get in the middle of the coni and shoot bow & stern and kill her center lanes then head out reload and hit her side's if i don't have prob's with DD's i get around 20 + 30,000 ton's in two attack's but i never go back 4 a 3rd attack as buy now the DD's r very pissed and r DC every were

CapZap1970 · 01-31-08, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

yeh, I agree with CapZap, I'm not a IX fan myself but from what you describe of your playing style you definitely want a IXc, because all that fuel intended to get you to south africa can also be very useful in making it go FASTER!!

you can go about as far in a IXC on 12 or 13 knots as in a VIIc on 9 knots

and more eels and more flak earlier...

I suppose this is what you mean...

:rotfl: :rotfl:
Just kidding, that's called cheating...:rotfl:
CapZap

Koondawg · 02-01-08, 02:06 AM

Quote:

I suppose this is what you mean...

Hummm....all that AND a bag-o-chips in '39? :hmm:
I get into a IX the first chance I get and never go back....

vodkavera · 02-01-08, 03:54 AM

Sorry but I´ll hijack this thread for a question......

I have my trusty, rusty IXB.....is it worth to upgrade to IXC when the
time comes?? :hmm:
Does the "C" get more upgrades?

/VV

melnibonian · 02-01-08, 04:48 AM

IXC all the way. It's by far the best platform for sinking ships due to the large range and number of torpedoes. To enjoy it though you have to enjoy long patrols in distant waters. Later in the war trying to attack an escorted convoy is a virtual death sentence but there are ways you can use your size and range to your advantage.

As far as IXB is concerned: Yes change it for a C Type as soon as possible as that way you will have all the latest upgrades.

vodkavera · 02-01-08, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melnibonian

IXC all the way. It's by far the best platform for sinking ships due to the large range and number of torpedoes. To enjoy it though you have to enjoy long patrols in distant waters. Later in the war trying to attack an escorted convoy is a virtual death sentence but there are ways you can use your size and range to your advantage.

As far as IXB is concerned: Yes change it for a C Type as soon as possible as that way you will have all the latest upgrades.

Thanks Mel for that quick response.

/VV

Grayson02sept1980 · 02-01-08, 08:43 AM

thanks folks!

well IXc here I come!

danurve · 02-01-08, 09:18 AM

Quote:

But just right now I am so fed up with it!

I mean I raid a convoy and as the pesky escort seems to love me so much I give them back something... a small part of my boat...

Grayson02sept1980; If that is the case You are doing something wrong. Do you honestly think a bigger boat with more torpedoes is going to fix that for you?:rotfl:
Geeezze. I see the IX fans jumping on this bandwagon probably not reading your first post through. I have read some jazz here before,

.

Penelope_Grey · 02-01-08, 11:03 AM

The type IX vs type VII debate is as old as the hills! Both have strengths the other does not have.

example

VII:
harder to detect, smaller profile
faster dives in an emergency situation saving the boat from damage.
deeper diving
better underwater range
harder to hit when attacked by aircraft.

IX:
Much more fuel, more possibilities
larger payload of torpedoes
more powerful deck gun
an extra aft tube
top speed surfaced.

the type IX is intended to be a heavy hitter, its a plodder basically, and it can enable you to potentially sink more targets.

The type VII is more of a fast attack, get in fire it off, get out. Much more suited to convoy operations than the type IX is.

I personally prefer the type IX's for the extra fuel and weapons. If you use them right they can be devastating, but for gods sake don't jump into your type IXC and expect VIIC performances because you won't get it.

Type VII's are better in terms of submerged performance, a good balance of firepower and stealth, type IX's tend to lend themselves more to firepower than stealth in the grander scheme of things. But that does not mean they are not sneaky, I've attacked convoys in my IXC on the surface, and got away on the surface, they can be stealthy in the right circumstances.

They can't dive as deep or stay down as long as a VII can but its up to you, if you want a boat that can dive like a monster, and better at evading escorts the VII is your boat, if you want raw firepower and a "go anywhere" feel, the IX is for you.

nikbear · 02-01-08, 12:22 PM

I tried a convoy attack in my TypeIXD2

not recommended,it was going swimingly till I had to crash dive to evade the last remaining escort(It was 1944 by the way)the old clunking bus just took so long to get deep and when it got there it handled like a drunk hippo in a bath of treacle,I was easy to locate and the end was never in doubt

I'm still gutted

I broke my golden rule with typeIX's in the late war period,Leave convoys alone!

ReallyDedPoet · 02-01-08, 12:46 PM

Go with the Ocean Workhorse, the VIIC

RDP

01-31-08, 06:18 PM	#1
Grayson02sept1980 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany-Bayreuth Posts: 276 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Stick with my VIIC or get a IXC? Hi! Sorry if this has been discussed before and I just am too lazy.... ok... I have now reached the time the IxC is availiable and Alberich, too. So far I have used a VIIC I got as I thought I stick with the smaller boat till I can get a XXI or one of the later IXs ... But just right now I am so fed up with it! I mean I raid a convoy and as the pesky escort seems to love me so much I give them back something... a small part of my boat... but when I am done with the escort and fired the last torpedo it always hurts me to let the rest of the convoy get away as I simply have no Eel left and attacking surfaced with the deckgun also is not possible as most of the ships are armed well enough to give me a deadly blow; with a IX I could reload surfaced out of sight of the convoy... hold contact with the convoy and make a second attack run. On the other hand the IX is more easy spotted dived than the VII ... but I am playing the first time GWX campaign... so I have not a real clue... speed is also an issue... the VII is slightly faster. The higher range is not what I need... in fact I hate to be ordered somewhere around south africa and ship there just to find nothing... I have 15k points and getting the new boat fully "updated" is not a problem... on the other hand I want to save up for the XXI but that will take some years till I can get that.. Can I make the 30k? What is your oppinion? Get the IXc or stick with the VIIc (I started with a VIIb and bought the C as I thought to get Alberich and have a faster "sneaky boat... just that right now it gets anoying...) Thanks for your imput.

01-31-08, 06:52 PM	#2
CapZap1970 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 1,965 Downloads: 275 Uploads: 51	want my opinion? Get yourself an IXC beast as soon as you can, you won't regret it... CapZap __________________

01-31-08, 07:00 PM	#4
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	Take the IX, if it's only possible. It's an award to get such a boat as one of the first commanders. I say "take it" not because it's better than VII - I just think you should have a try so that you learn which one you like more. It's a matter of taste in my opinion, and maybe of style of play. There are a few around who love type II boats and use them even late in the war, just because they're their favourite. I remember an EU slogan: "Celebrating diversity". :rotfl: __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-31-08, 08:36 PM	#5
JG10r_Bull Seaman Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oz Posts: 41 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yep IX all the Way u sound like u attack like me first run i get in the middle of the coni and shoot bow & stern and kill her center lanes then head out reload and hit her side's if i don't have prob's with DD's i get around 20 + 30,000 ton's in two attack's but i never go back 4 a 3rd attack as buy now the DD's r very pissed and r DC every were __________________

02-01-08, 03:54 AM	#8
vodkavera Planesman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 195 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Sorry but I´ll hijack this thread for a question...... I have my trusty, rusty IXB.....is it worth to upgrade to IXC when the time comes?? :hmm: Does the "C" get more upgrades? /VV __________________ I sink (ships), therefore I am! ------------------------------------- Acer Aspire - Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 nVIDIA GeForce GT 240M 1 024 MB 4 GB RAM

01-31-08, 06:58 PM	#3
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	yeh, I agree with CapZap, I'm not a IX fan myself but from what you describe of your playing style you definitely want a IXc, because all that fuel intended to get you to south africa can also be very useful in making it go FASTER!! you can go about as far in a IXC on 12 or 13 knots as in a VIIc on 9 knots and more eels and more flak earlier...

02-01-08, 04:48 AM	#9
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	IXC all the way. It's by far the best platform for sinking ships due to the large range and number of torpedoes. To enjoy it though you have to enjoy long patrols in distant waters. Later in the war trying to attack an escorted convoy is a virtual death sentence but there are ways you can use your size and range to your advantage. As far as IXB is concerned: Yes change it for a C Type as soon as possible as that way you will have all the latest upgrades. __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

02-01-08, 08:43 AM	#11
Grayson02sept1980 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany-Bayreuth Posts: 276 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	thanks folks! well IXc here I come!

02-01-08, 11:03 AM	#13
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The type IX vs type VII debate is as old as the hills! Both have strengths the other does not have. example VII: harder to detect, smaller profile faster dives in an emergency situation saving the boat from damage. deeper diving better underwater range harder to hit when attacked by aircraft. IX: Much more fuel, more possibilities larger payload of torpedoes more powerful deck gun an extra aft tube top speed surfaced. the type IX is intended to be a heavy hitter, its a plodder basically, and it can enable you to potentially sink more targets. The type VII is more of a fast attack, get in fire it off, get out. Much more suited to convoy operations than the type IX is. I personally prefer the type IX's for the extra fuel and weapons. If you use them right they can be devastating, but for gods sake don't jump into your type IXC and expect VIIC performances because you won't get it. Type VII's are better in terms of submerged performance, a good balance of firepower and stealth, type IX's tend to lend themselves more to firepower than stealth in the grander scheme of things. But that does not mean they are not sneaky, I've attacked convoys in my IXC on the surface, and got away on the surface, they can be stealthy in the right circumstances. They can't dive as deep or stay down as long as a VII can but its up to you, if you want a boat that can dive like a monster, and better at evading escorts the VII is your boat, if you want raw firepower and a "go anywhere" feel, the IX is for you. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

02-01-08, 12:22 PM	#14
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I tried a convoy attack in my TypeIXD2 not recommended,it was going swimingly till I had to crash dive to evade the last remaining escort(It was 1944 by the way)the old clunking bus just took so long to get deep and when it got there it handled like a drunk hippo in a bath of treacle,I was easy to locate and the end was never in doubt I'm still gutted I broke my golden rule with typeIX's in the late war period,Leave convoys alone! __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

02-01-08, 12:46 PM	#15
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Go with the Ocean Workhorse, the VIIC RDP __________________ Back in the Day