It's the final version that I am worried about ... National ID Card

[geetrue]

This was news to me that a national ID card was being designed.I knew about the new US passport card with a chip ...
but this new standard for all US drivers license was news to me.

I was concerned at first, but after reading the Homeland Defense reasons and fact sheet I guess I brained washed myself into thinking it really is something we need.

First I had to pretend to be an airport security person and then a US Customs official and finally a US Border guard to see it is sorely needed, but I am also a believer in the number 666 being for the end of time as man kind knows it ... I don't even want to see the final version.

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr...7422.shtmQuote from press release 1/11/08

“The American public’s desire for greater identity protection is undeniable,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “Americans understand today that the 9/11 hijackers obtained 30 drivers licenses and ID’s, and used 364 aliases. For an extra $8 per license, REAL ID will give law enforcement and security officials a powerful advantage against falsified documents, and it will bring some peace of mind to citizens wanting to protect their identity from theft by a criminal or illegal alien.”

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1161115330477.shtm
October 2006

Protecting Personal Privacy

We constantly look for ways to protect the privacy of travelers entering the United States. Through the passport card design, personal privacy would be protected through multiple layers of security including, but not limited to, the methods discussed below.· No personal information would be transmitted or stored on the vicinity RFID-enabled card. The technology will transmit only a number between the card and the reader which will be matched against a DHS database. · Even though no personally identifiable information will be transmitted, DHS is taking steps to ensure that even this number cannot be intercepted during transmission to an authorized reader at a port of entry. · All card holders would be issued a protective sleeve for the card, preventing transmission of the Vicinity RFID signal while the card is in the sleeve. · The use of the card will be voluntary; travelers can elect to use a traditional passport if they so chose.

[Tchocky]

I'm glad that Gordon Brown is going off the idea of ID cards for Britain. I hope it doesn't happen the US

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm glad that Gordon Brown is going off the idea of ID cards for Britain. I hope it doesn't happen the US

This is due to all those bloody cock ups last year, fear not if Labour are re-elected in 2009 you can bet your ass the ID Card will be top of there agenda.

ID Cards first then RFID in bedded in Humans, fight back against this evil now and today.

ID Cards will not stop terrorist attacking and immigrates coming in, it's all BS.

[Ducimus]

I hate invoking godwin, but the praise is unavoidable.

"Papers, papers please"
(my google image search results on the above praise)

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by STEED

This is due to all those bloody cock ups last year, fear not if Labour are re-elected in 2009 to can bet your ass the ID Card will be top of there agenda.

I'm not so sure, man. This week he really stressed that it would be a Parliamentary vote that would decide it. Of course everything goes through Parliament, but I think he's trying to give himself some wiggle room. There's a depressing amount of people in Labour who want ID cards, I think he wants to avoid a backbench revolt.

.02

[mrbeast]

Its Ironic that the incompetance of the civil service is making ID cards less likely!

I'm against the idea on principle and in practice, hopefully the government will quietly sweep it under the carpet like they do with other 'good ideas' that don't turrn out so good.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm not so sure, man. This week he really stressed that it would be a Parliamentary vote that would decide it. Of course everything goes through Parliament, but I think he's trying to give himself some wiggle room. There's a depressing amount of people in Labour who want ID cards, I think he wants to avoid a backbench revolt.

.02

ID Cards are hated, Gordon wants to be re-elected so it's time to be the nice guy this year. Just wait to the budget give away as the mass brain dead will lap it up like mothers milk. And come 2009 the X goes next to Labour.

[STEED]

Next terrorist attack will open the door to the ID Card for sure.

[Tchocky]

Have a little faith, STEED. I doubt that Labour would, after an election, U-turn on what has been one of their most blazingly unpopular policies. And if they did, heads would roll

EDIT - Jeez, new av!

I liked my old one

*grumbles*

[STEED]

@Tchocky

The proof is in the pudding.

[MothBalls]

Most Americans don't remember that a Social Security number was intended to be used to manage your SS account by the Federal Government and nothing else. Now 50% of your identity is tied to it, including your credit rating, employment records, etc.

Same thing will happen with this idea eventually. Ever couple of years they'll add a little more... and share a little more... until you sacrifice all your privacy. They justify it by saying they have to do it in for the sake of security.

Next on the list, freedoms.

[XabbaRus]

Personally I don't think at this moment labour would win.

Then gain Cameron is another Blair we'll see,

STEED I think we should set up our own party.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

STEED I think we should set up our own party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom

After reading this list of dead ducks I came up with this one.

The Peoples kick ass and no bullsh*t party. Catchy little number.

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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I hate invoking godwin, but the praise is unavoidable.

"Papers, papers please"
(my google image search results on the above praise)

Exactly what came to my mind!

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Most Americans don't remember that a Social Security number was intended to be used to manage your SS account by the Federal Government and nothing else. Now 50% of your identity is tied to it, including your credit rating, employment records, etc.

Same thing will happen with this idea eventually. Ever couple of years they'll add a little more... and share a little more... until you sacrifice all your privacy. They justify it by saying they have to do it in for the sake of security.

Next on the list, freedoms.

Very, very true.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, though he denied it in a 1760 letter to David Hume

"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
-Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1738