GWX: how can you reduce the power of the deckguns of mechant ships?

MCM · 12-26-07, 04:31 AM

hi,

in my opinion the power and accuracy of the deckguns of merchant ships in GWX v2 is much to strong. how can i reduce the power and/or the accuracy of these deckguns?

THX
McM

irish1958 · 12-26-07, 10:52 AM

In actual fact, the guns on the merchants were manned by regular navy crews, and could take down a sub with one hit. Stay away from them.

Wilcke · 12-26-07, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by irish1958

In actual fact, the guns on the merchants were manned by regular navy crews, and could take down a sub with one hit. Stay away from them.

Stay away from them......they are bad news!

MCM · 12-26-07, 11:01 AM

i know that

but i read in a book, that especially in the beginning years of the war the weapons were old and poor and the crew was bad trained with the deckguns... that´s why i want to reduce them. and it´s more fun of course

Mush Martin · 12-26-07, 11:27 AM

you would need to teach yourself how to use timetravellers
mini tweaker. to alter the guns dat.
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MCM · 12-26-07, 11:34 AM

i know how to use the mini tweaker, but didn´t know the exact file name. now i have to figure out what numbers have to be changed in which direction

Mush Martin · 12-26-07, 11:39 AM

Well each allied ship has its own gun loadout and crew ai these all
effect how well or how powerful.

with mini tweak you can reduce hitting power reduce rate of fire
reduce range etc and can also likely increase there probability of
a miss as well.

you can reduce a ships ai in mission explorer but thats far to extensive
a process to be practicle as you cant do a ship type but must do individual
units more or less for each track in a mission or the campaign layers.

Also guns dat is ships allied and axis.
guns sub dat is your guns.

Jimbuna · 12-26-07, 11:48 AM

My father manned a 4" deck gun from the beginning of the conflict......It was an ancient relic from WWI and training consisted of a dozen or so practice shots.
He informs me that from mid 40 onwards, the British merchant marine were often helped by the addition of Royal Marine gunnery crews.
Be advised, U-boats seldom fought it out on the surface with armed merchants because of the potential of taking damage.
A heavy calibre machine gun round was more than capable of penetrating a U-boats pressure hull, nevermind a 3 or 4" shell.
Once penetrated, it ceased to be a 'submersible'

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-26-07, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

My father manned a 4" deck gun from the beginning of the conflict......It was an ancient relic from WWI and training consisted of a dozen or so practice shots.
He informs me that from mid 40 onwards, the British merchant marine were often helped by the addition of Royal Marine gunnery crews.
Be advised, U-boats seldom fought it out on the surface with armed merchants because of the potential of taking damage.
A heavy calibre machine gun round was more than capable of penetrating a U-boats pressure hull, nevermind a 3 or 4" shell.
Once penetrated, it ceased to be a 'submersible'

Not only that, but merchant ships make for a far more stable firing platform... much more steady on the surface... making their fire more accurate than a U-boat's own fire.

Sailor Steve · 12-26-07, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MCM

...but i read in a book...

As with the internet, anyone can write anything in a book. It would help if you could remember which book, and exactly what was said, and whether he cited references.

The deck gun was usually used for very small targets, or to finish off a ship which had already been abandoned by the crew. The real problem was that submarines were in even more danger than the game allows; in real life it would only take one penetration of the pressure hull, and the submarine was suddenly a very poor surface ship, unable to dive and very vulnerable.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-26-07, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCM

...but i read in a book...

As with the internet, anyone can write anything in a book. It would help if you could remember which book, and exactly what was said, and whether he cited references.

The deck gun was usually used for very small targets, or to finish off a ship which had already been abandoned by the crew. The real problem was that submarines were in even more danger than the game allows; in real life it would only take one penetration of the pressure hull, and the submarine was suddenly a very poor surface ship, unable to dive and very vulnerable.

So technically... what we should do... is INCREASE the merchie deck gun damage ptential.

Teehee.

MCM · 12-26-07, 01:40 PM

ok i understand! and if u tell us how to do this, i know for myself to turn it the other way round with the numbers

Hartmann · 12-26-07, 02:27 PM

One tactic is surface very close to the ship and fire in black point range with AA machinegun to the ship . it could destroy the gun and other equipment with devasting effects.

Jimbuna · 12-26-07, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCM

...but i read in a book...

As with the internet, anyone can write anything in a book. It would help if you could remember which book, and exactly what was said, and whether he cited references.

The deck gun was usually used for very small targets, or to finish off a ship which had already been abandoned by the crew. The real problem was that submarines were in even more danger than the game allows; in real life it would only take one penetration of the pressure hull, and the submarine was suddenly a very poor surface ship, unable to dive and very vulnerable.

So technically... what we should do... is INCREASE the merchie deck gun damage ptential.

Teehee.

Careful mate.....we don't want to plant the seeds for a uber merchant mod

danurve · 12-26-07, 04:03 PM

Take 1 large merchant with a forward gun.
Take 1 remaining TII and your best shot.

Result = 1 damaged and slow but well armed pissed off merchant blasting away at you. In calm seas this can be an issue. This happened to me just the other day 1.03 mid `41 out of Vigo (Bessel).
So, I got in behind the sucker and finished it off with the deck-gun.

12-26-07, 04:31 AM	#1
MCM Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	GWX: how can you reduce the power of the deckguns of mechant ships? hi, in my opinion the power and accuracy of the deckguns of merchant ships in GWX v2 is much to strong. how can i reduce the power and/or the accuracy of these deckguns? THX McM

12-26-07, 10:52 AM	#2
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	In actual fact, the guns on the merchants were manned by regular navy crews, and could take down a sub with one hit. Stay away from them. __________________ Irish1958

12-26-07, 11:27 AM	#5
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	you would need to teach yourself how to use timetravellers mini tweaker. to alter the guns dat. M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

12-26-07, 11:39 AM	#7
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Well each allied ship has its own gun loadout and crew ai these all effect how well or how powerful. with mini tweak you can reduce hitting power reduce rate of fire reduce range etc and can also likely increase there probability of a miss as well. you can reduce a ships ai in mission explorer but thats far to extensive a process to be practicle as you cant do a ship type but must do individual units more or less for each track in a mission or the campaign layers. Also guns dat is ships allied and axis. guns sub dat is your guns. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

12-26-07, 11:48 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	My father manned a 4" deck gun from the beginning of the conflict......It was an ancient relic from WWI and training consisted of a dozen or so practice shots. He informs me that from mid 40 onwards, the British merchant marine were often helped by the addition of Royal Marine gunnery crews. Be advised, U-boats seldom fought it out on the surface with armed merchants because of the potential of taking damage. A heavy calibre machine gun round was more than capable of penetrating a U-boats pressure hull, nevermind a 3 or 4" shell. Once penetrated, it ceased to be a 'submersible' __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-26-07, 11:01 AM	#4
MCM Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	i know that but i read in a book, that especially in the beginning years of the war the weapons were old and poor and the crew was bad trained with the deckguns... that´s why i want to reduce them. and it´s more fun of course

12-26-07, 11:34 AM	#6
MCM Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	i know how to use the mini tweaker, but didn´t know the exact file name. now i have to figure out what numbers have to be changed in which direction

12-26-07, 01:40 PM	#12
MCM Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	ok i understand! and if u tell us how to do this, i know for myself to turn it the other way round with the numbers

12-26-07, 02:27 PM	#13
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	One tactic is surface very close to the ship and fire in black point range with AA machinegun to the ship . it could destroy the gun and other equipment with devasting effects. __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

12-26-07, 04:03 PM	#15
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Take 1 large merchant with a forward gun. Take 1 remaining TII and your best shot. Result = 1 damaged and slow but well armed pissed off merchant blasting away at you. In calm seas this can be an issue. This happened to me just the other day 1.03 mid `41 out of Vigo (Bessel). So, I got in behind the sucker and finished it off with the deck-gun. __________________