AGP just won't die

SUBMAN1 · 11-06-07, 06:01 PM

ATI will be pumping out an HD 3850 for AGP. Can you believe that? Guess this will save all you die hard AGP people!

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...100-agp-market

-S

JSLTIGER · 11-06-07, 06:11 PM

There was no real reason to kill off AGP other than SLI/Crossfire. AGP 8x bandwith @2.1GBps is still plenty.

Biggles · 11-06-07, 06:12 PM

As long as there's AGP users, there is money to be made.

Skybird · 11-06-07, 06:36 PM

Still being on an AGP system, I of course like that there is still small support for it, in case my gfx card brakes down. However - roughly one year ago, I bought a new AGP highend card, nVidia, after having tried ATI months before and having had many problems with it, subman maybe remembers. When I bought that nVidias AGP, I already was unsure on wether to stay with my still reliably runnign system (which is becoming three years old) maybe braking down sooner than I like, in which case I would be screwed with having invested in an AGP card (a new system most likely would be PCI), or if the risk is so low that investing another handful of bucks into AGP seems to be a still reasonable option. How I would decide today, I honestly don't know. RAM and coolers and can be replaced, CPU is already much more problematic these days, but the mainboard itself braking down - the root of all fears!

SUBMAN1 · 11-06-07, 06:51 PM

SB - Don't buy on fear. So what if your sys breaks down? An AGP card (if you wanted to stick with AGP) like that will always be worth something for resale. Anyone still on an AGP system would totally want a board like that, so to liquidate it after the fact would be easy.

Couple that to ATI's 3 year or 5 year warranty on their boards (Did you know it was that long? - I even RMA'd a 9800 AIW not too long ago and they replaced it! - no questions asked!), and your buyer will know full well they have a long life ahead for the product.

-S

JSLTIGER · 11-06-07, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

SB - Don't buy on fear. So what if your sys breaks down? An AGP card (if you wanted to stick with AGP) like that will always be worth something for resale. Anyone still on an AGP system would totally want a board like that, so to liquidate it after the fact would be easy.

Couple that to ATI's 3 year or 5 year warranty on their boards (Did you know it was that long? - I even RMA'd a 9800 AIW not too long ago and they replaced it! - no questions asked!), and your buyer will know full well they have a long life ahead for the product.

-S

Some of nVidia's partners, like eVGA and XFX have lifetime warranties on their cards...kind of impressive.

Skybird · 11-06-07, 07:21 PM

I would never buy vital PC componentes second hand, via ebay, for example. I have no way to test their functionality, and at least inside the EU, private 2nd hand sales are no longer covered by warranty laws. Aloso, you never know how much time such a component has acumulated, and how much of it's longevity has been used up.

THAT's WHY i DO NOT TAKE IT AS GRANTED THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BUY MY OLD CARD - EVEN IF i KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT STILL IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL.

Caplock mania - sorry.

Tchocky · 11-06-07, 08:01 PM

I comfortably made the junp from PCI to PCI-Express

That said, I had a PCI slot, there were few PCI cards in my price range at the time. Onboard graphics did the job for Flashpoint and my flightsims

elite_hunter_sh3 · 11-06-07, 10:52 PM

FORGET AGP , and for that matter PCI express x16... thats OLD PCI-Express 2.0 is out

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

kiwi_2005 · 11-06-07, 11:13 PM

other pc is running an agp 6600gt, still going strong. This is good for those that just want to upgrade their old agp board with a top card.

Chock · 11-07-07, 12:21 AM

I was under the impression that PCI-X cards were easier and cheaper to manufacture than AGP ones, because they were better suited to surface mount technology. I don't actually know if that is true, but it would not surprise if that was the real reason it was being pushed.

I am currently on my third PCI-X graphics card, being one of those whores who just had to have one the moment they came out, when there were about two motherboards you could buy that actually fitted them LOL. The first one I had was pretty unstable, and it didn't last that long either before I kissed it goodbye, but the others seem to be okay. it doesn't strike me as being massively better than AGP though, there'll always be a bottleneck somewhere on a PC, right now it's the limits on miniaturising stuff for processors.

Bring back the five inch floppy:rotfl:

Chock

FIREWALL · 11-07-07, 11:39 AM

Hi SUBMAN1

Can you tell me what nvidia agp card this would compare to if any.

SUBMAN1 · 11-07-07, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Hi SUBMAN1

Can you tell me what nvidia agp card this would compare to if any.

None. There is no close competitor from NVidia. THis card will probably 2x to 3x faster than NVidia's fastest AGP part.

According to the article, NVidia doesn't plant to make a competing part either.

-S

FIREWALL · 11-07-07, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Hi SUBMAN1

Can you tell me what nvidia agp card this would compare to if any.

None. There is no close competitor from NVidia. THis card will probably 2x to 3x faster than NVidia's fastest AGP part.

According to the article, NVidia doesn't plant to make a competing part either.

-S

Thx for reply.

See you over one your other thread

11-06-07, 06:01 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	AGP just won't die ATI will be pumping out an HD 3850 for AGP. Can you believe that? Guess this will save all you die hard AGP people! http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...100-agp-market -S __________________

11-06-07, 06:11 PM	#2
JSLTIGER The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Parkland, FL, USA Posts: 1,437 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	There was no real reason to kill off AGP other than SLI/Crossfire. AGP 8x bandwith @2.1GBps is still plenty. __________________ Thor: Intel Core i7 4770K\|ASUS Z87Pro\|32GB DDR3 RAM\|11GB EVGA GeForce RTX 2080Ti Black\|256GB Crucial M4 SSD+2TB WD HDD\|4X LG BD-RE\|32" Acer Predator Z321QU 165Hz G-Sync (2540x1440)\|Logitech Z-323 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Pro Explorer (MSI GL63 8RE-629 Laptop): Intel Core i7 8750H\|16GB DDR4 RAM\|6GB GeForce GTX 1060\|128GB SSD+1TB HDD\|15.6" Widescreen (1920x1080)\|Logitech R-20 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Home

11-06-07, 06:12 PM	#3
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	As long as there's AGP users, there is money to be made. __________________

11-06-07, 06:36 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Still being on an AGP system, I of course like that there is still small support for it, in case my gfx card brakes down. However - roughly one year ago, I bought a new AGP highend card, nVidia, after having tried ATI months before and having had many problems with it, subman maybe remembers. When I bought that nVidias AGP, I already was unsure on wether to stay with my still reliably runnign system (which is becoming three years old) maybe braking down sooner than I like, in which case I would be screwed with having invested in an AGP card (a new system most likely would be PCI), or if the risk is so low that investing another handful of bucks into AGP seems to be a still reasonable option. How I would decide today, I honestly don't know. RAM and coolers and can be replaced, CPU is already much more problematic these days, but the mainboard itself braking down - the root of all fears! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-06-07, 06:51 PM	#5
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SB - Don't buy on fear. So what if your sys breaks down? An AGP card (if you wanted to stick with AGP) like that will always be worth something for resale. Anyone still on an AGP system would totally want a board like that, so to liquidate it after the fact would be easy. Couple that to ATI's 3 year or 5 year warranty on their boards (Did you know it was that long? - I even RMA'd a 9800 AIW not too long ago and they replaced it! - no questions asked!), and your buyer will know full well they have a long life ahead for the product. -S __________________

11-06-07, 07:21 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I would never buy vital PC componentes second hand, via ebay, for example. I have no way to test their functionality, and at least inside the EU, private 2nd hand sales are no longer covered by warranty laws. Aloso, you never know how much time such a component has acumulated, and how much of it's longevity has been used up. THAT's WHY i DO NOT TAKE IT AS GRANTED THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BUY MY OLD CARD - EVEN IF i KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT STILL IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. Caplock mania - sorry. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-06-07, 08:01 PM	#8
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I comfortably made the junp from PCI to PCI-Express That said, I had a PCI slot, there were few PCI cards in my price range at the time. Onboard graphics did the job for Flashpoint and my flightsims __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-06-07, 10:52 PM	#9
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	FORGET AGP , and for that matter PCI express x16... thats OLD PCI-Express 2.0 is out :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

11-06-07, 11:13 PM	#10
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	other pc is running an agp 6600gt, still going strong. This is good for those that just want to upgrade their old agp board with a top card. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

11-07-07, 12:21 AM	#11
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was under the impression that PCI-X cards were easier and cheaper to manufacture than AGP ones, because they were better suited to surface mount technology. I don't actually know if that is true, but it would not surprise if that was the real reason it was being pushed. I am currently on my third PCI-X graphics card, being one of those whores who just had to have one the moment they came out, when there were about two motherboards you could buy that actually fitted them LOL. The first one I had was pretty unstable, and it didn't last that long either before I kissed it goodbye, but the others seem to be okay. it doesn't strike me as being massively better than AGP though, there'll always be a bottleneck somewhere on a PC, right now it's the limits on miniaturising stuff for processors. Bring back the five inch floppy:rotfl: Chock __________________

11-07-07, 11:39 AM	#12
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Hi SUBMAN1 Can you tell me what nvidia agp card this would compare to if any. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???