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THE U.S. ECONOMIC MAP VS. THE WORLD
Yesterday, the market capitalization of Chinese state-owned oil company, PetroChina, hit $1 trillion -- eclipsing U.S.-based rival Exxon as the world's most valuable company. Last night, at a lecture in Manhattan, I heard George Soros predict (yet again) that the unraveling of the U.S. economy had finally begun. Last week, a London-based financial newsletter called the United States “the next Argentina” -- suggesting that the U.S. economy's destiny was to echo the fate of Argentina -- a formerly prosperous nation that descended into poverty and economic chaos. It seems that anytime financial markets have a bad week or two, the global financial press readily hitches itself to the doomsday bandwagon by cheerfully predicting the demise of the U.S. economy. At times like this, it's worth reminding ourselves that we've been here before. In the 1970s, Americans grew up with two myths. First, that the Soviet Union would dominate the U.S. militarily; second, that the Japanese would dominate the U.S. economically. With the Soviet Union erased from the map, and the Japanese stock market below levels it traded at 17 years ago, both fears seem almost quaint. Yet today, the conventional wisdom that Brazil, Russia, India, and China -- the BRIC countries -- are set to dominate the United States is just as prevalent. The U.S. Economic Map: Size Matters In the midst of a housing collapse and credit crunch, the impending doom of the U.S. economy is taken as gospel. But look behind the headlines, and the numbers tell a different story. The U.S. economy grew by 3.9% in the credit turmoil-ridden third quarter -- following a 3.1% jump in the second quarter. That means that the United States added the equivalent of a new Saudi Arabia to its economy just since the beginning of April. And the fact that the World Economic Forum ranked the U.S. economy the most competitive economy in the world last week got little press. And even when it did, the #1 ranking of the United States was explained away as a statistical mirage. This is not to say that the U.S. economy is in ship shape. But with all of the talk about China and India dominating our economic futures, it's worth reminding ourselves where these new economic challengers stand in comparison to the United States today. Despite the high economic growth rates of developing nations, the United States is by far the world's wealthiest nation as measured by GDP -- the broadest measure of economic wealth. And the rest of the world isn't even close. This year, U.S. GDP is projected to be $13.22 trillion. That means that the U.S. economy is as large as the next four-largest economies in the world -- Japan, Germany, China, and the United Kingdom -- combined. The map below -- originally published here -- puts the size of the United States' global rivals in perspective. On the map, the name of each U.S. state is replaced by a country, whose GDP equals approximately that U.S. state's GSP (gross state product.) A quick glance at the map leads to some fascinating -- and unexpected -- comparisons. ![]() Standing alone as a country, California would be the eighth-largest economy in the world and approximately the size of France. Texas' economy is half the size of California's and its GSP compares to that of Canada. Florida's GSP is approximately the size of Asian tiger South Korea. Illinois' economy is approximately the size of Mexico. Ohio's economy is roughly the size of Australia's. Tennessee's GSP is the size of Saudi Arabia; Nevada, the size of Ireland; Alabama's economy is the size of Iran. Bill Clinton's home state of Arkansas, one of the poorest states in the United States, is approximately the size of Pakistan's economy. And what about the United States' nearest rivals? Germany and China -- #3 and #4 on the list of the world's largest economies -- are smaller than the economies of Texas and California combined. India's $800 billion economy is on par with Florida. Brazil, as we see on the map, is comparable to New York. Russia's economy is about the size of New Jersey (or Texas). The U.S. Economic Map: Two Caveats Not surprisingly, reactions to the map have been mixed. The first criticism is that the map is based on nominal GDP -- how much wealth is generated in dollar terms -- and not how many goods and services those dollars buy. Economists sometimes use “purchasing power parity” (PPP) when comparing the size of global economies. Because prices for goods tend to be lower in developing countries, this measure makes poorer countries appear wealthier than they really are. But in taking a birds-eye view of wealth generation in the global economy, that approach makes little sense. Think of PPP as similar to a “cost of living adjustment” on a country level. Within the United States, $50,000 in Kansas buys you a lot more than it does in Manhattan. But as a measure of wealth in absolute terms, having $50,000 in your bank account is the same no matter where you live in Kansas or Calcutta (Kolkata). Second, the map does not adjust for population. California and Texas have a combined population of 60 million, while China's population is 1.3 billion. This has huge implications. Let's say China does become the largest economy in the world in 20 years time. Yet, because of its large population, even if it continues growing at its current pace (a huge assumption), by 2050 it will only be as wealthy as former Communist Hungary is in 2007. The U.S. Economic Map: The Past... and The Future In 1790, the United States was a new, tiny nation of 4 million, about the size of Ireland today. Europe's population was 180 million, while India's was 190 million and China's was 320 million. Only seven cities had a population of 5,000 or more; just 12 had a population above 2,500. The United States had an agricultural economy with practically no factories. By 1885, the United States was #1 in the world in manufacturing. It produced almost 30% of the world's manufactured goods to outpace both the British Empire and the spanking new Germany. Into the 21st century, the cutting edge of global industries -- whether Silicon Valley, Hollywood, or Wall Street -- are still products of the U.S economic experiment. Underestimating the U.S. economy has become the new global financial sport. Yet the Japanese economy has not matched U.S. growth rates for at least the last decade. Europe celebrates triumphantly when its growth rate hits 2.5%. And for all the press they generate, China and India rank 34th and 48th, respectively in the World Economic Forum's global competitiveness index. The world has been counting out the United States as far as I can remember. The U.S. economic map provides a vivid reminder of just where the U.S. stands. Nicholas A. Vardy http://www.theglobalguru.com/article...&offer=GURU001 I thought it was interesting.
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I've been preaching this for ages on this forum, but I still get shot down with people saying CHina or whomever outproduces the US, yadda yadda yadda. ANyway, same story, different day. Just wait a while and someone will tell you that regardless of what you post here or your story, some country is outdoing the US.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion The term billion in the US refers to 'one thousand million', whereas, pretty much everywhere else on the globe, it is taken to mean 'one million million', which is a rather significantly larger figure. Now whether or not that is how the above OP calculations were made, I do not know, but if it was a direct comparison of all the nations own reported figures for their GP, it does mean that there could be a rather obvious thing that has been overlooked by the original calculator of the map if he or she was in the US. Not saying that's the case, but it would not be the first time such a mistake has been made. ![]()
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*gets out calculator* Stand by............. All added up, the maps is somewhat accurate, the US comes out a little worse than it should.
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Are you just screwing with us Chock because I wrote that someone would try to say something different? Ha ha. Very funny. See Camaero! There is a joker in every group! Case proven and closed. -S |
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Damn.
I knew there was a reason why so many conservatives hate California. It's really France in disguise. ![]() |
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I laughed at the map at first (come on, it's amuzing to see Uzbekistan THERE), but it actually makes a lot of sense.
I'm surprised by the placement of Russia and Canada, to the latter's credit but with disappointment in former. |
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Good read sir. The only reason Soros keeps predicting the collapse of the USA is because he is actively trying to fund that collapse. Both George and his father were traitors to their own people. The guy also claims the rich should pay more taxes but he keeps all of his money in tax-free overseas accounts.
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Of course this map, while superficially true, is leaving out a lot of perspectives from which to look at the terms of economy, and national wealth. Jobs, inflation, quality of work, distribution patterns of wealth inside the community, wages, credit levels come to mind. the GDP alone is like a mean value in statistics, maybe: a rough generalization of the characteristics of a national economy being thrown into one pot and mixed until there is only one colour left. Like a mean value is of little worth if additional descriptive data like for example variance, and quality analysis like reliability and validity calculations are not given, the GDP alone says nothing about how it's value is being acchieved, and if it is "real" value indeed, produced by solid financial self-power - or being pruduced on tick, for example. This is not meant to downtalk the opening posting, I just want to raise awareness for why it is necessary to have a wider perspective if one wishes to assess the strength or weakness of the american economy. the initial assumption, that it was said that the american economy is "weak", however is a misunderstanding - at least as far as maybe my postings of the past are aimed at. Please note that there is a difference between saying for example "the economy is weak", and "the economy is vulnerable". I never said the first, but in various contexts said the latter, especially with regard to money traficking and foreign investement levels, and the national debts.
Well, I do not wish to dive deeper into it, but I stumbled over this article http://www.zeit-fragen.ch/ausgaben/2...n-zu-bezahlen/ from The Privateer from Novembre 2006 (for your reference http://www.the-privateer.com/ ), which unfortunately is translated into German and quoted in a swiss essay. I tried to pick it at the Privateer's homepage, only to learn that they are a subscriptiuon site and thus I cannot access their library to give you the English original. However, for whatever it is worth, those of you being fluent in German, may see the wider perspective in it - and how far-reaching the dependancy between the US and the rest of the global economy is. What I want to illustrate is: that you can have a high GDP, and being financially vulnerable and strategically highly dependant at the same time. this does not make the starting posting wrong. It just means that it is only one part of the complete picture.
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When I want to talk to you, wosMan, I let you know. Your constant hidden offendings of me and of people disagreeing with you becomes a bit annoying. Having been on the receiving end of your arrogance three times in as many days, I think, does not make you more sympathetic to me. One waste gate per board is enough, one would think.
@ all others. I found the translated text via Google. http://www.currentconcerns.ch/index.php?id=179 Quote:
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