British MP's are pigs

[STEED]

Don't vote ever again folks of England, if you do, your only voting for pigs in the money troff who don't give a sh*t about you and I at all. They are all blood suckers who will drain this country dry they should all be locked up for life breaking rocks for there crime against the voters of this country.

Democracy is dead in the UK.

As a side note I hear on the radio prisoners released early have now committed 16,000 crimes in this country, Labour tough on crime!!! What a dirty lie.

The Great Commons Gravy Train - MPs pick up £200,000 for 34 weeks a year

MPs are costing taxpayers £87 million a year in expenses alone, it was revealed last night.


The 646 members claimed an average of £136,000 each last year, with the highest payouts going to three ministers.
With salaries of £60,277, even backbench MPs are now pocketing almost £200,000 a year each. Critics said last night they should be 'ashamed of themselves' for being such a drain on the taxpayer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489791&in_page_id=1770

Marginal MPs prove the biggest spenders in review of expenses

Three Labour ministers and MPs in marginal seats claimed the highest amounts in expenses last year. MPs’ claims rose by almost 5 per cent.
The average rose to £135,850 for the year to April, up from £128,280, with the total bill running to £87.6 million. The cost of running a second home, including food, utilities and cleaning, rose by £1,100, while average stationery bills rose from £4,612 to £5,024.
The figures released by Parliament revealed sharp discrepancies in the sums that different MPs charge for travel, London homes, office costs, computers and stationery.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2740546.ece

[Prof]

Have you considered that the expenses might be justified? If my job required me to travel all over the country (or internationally), live away from home for large portions of the year or employ my own staff, of course I'd claim the expenses back.

Your rant appears to be based on the assumption that all this extra money goes into MPs' pockets. I'm prepared to accept that some of them might be on the fiddle, but that doesn't mean they all are.

Oh, and did you ever believe that Labour would be tough on crime? I certainly didn't, which is why I've never voted for them.

[CB..]

and these are the same high minded moral types who have instituted the restriction of life saving/extending drugs for cancer sufferers via the N.I.C.E program and are also restricting health care for obese people on the basis that it isn't "cost effective"
with the very clear inference and "public spin conceptuality" that obese folks somehow are less deserving of full and free health care than "other folks" on the basis that they are "greedy" and other such base and dark and really rather dangerous concepts

60 grand a year base salary is over 1000 quid a week (before tax etc)

if you can't live on that there's something wrong some where..and whose fault might that be?? theirs of course seeing as they are running the country (supposedly)

perhaps what they really need RTFLMAO...is a decent UNION!!! double RTFLMAO...sod 'em

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Prof

Have you considered that the expenses might be justified?

Yea right £50 for a pencil (Sarcastic)

Originally Posted by Prof

Your rant appears to be based on the assumption that all this extra money goes into MPs' pockets. I'm prepared to accept that some of them might be on the fiddle, but that doesn't mean they all are.

There all on the take and they don't give a sh*t I should know with the letters I sent them.

Originally Posted by Prof

Oh, and did you ever believe that Labour would be tough on crime? I certainly didn't, which is why I've never voted for them.

Never voted Labour in my life.


http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

[STEED]

Originally Posted by CB..

60 grand a year base salary is over 1000 quid a week (before tax etc)

if you can't live on that there's something wrong some where..and whose fault might that be?? theirs of course seeing as they are running the country (supposedly)

Those pigs give themselves a pay rise above inflation and sod the rest of us.

Well said CB

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by STEED

Yea right £50 for a pencil (Sarcastic)

So, in answer to Prof's question, you haven't considered this possibility.

How about maintaining two houses, one in a constituency, one in London?
How about travel between them?

They are just off the top of my head. I imagine it's easier to spend money when it goes under "expenses", but gosh-freakin-darnit MP's have expenses.

[CB..]

How about maintaining two houses, one in a constituency, one in London?
How about travel between them?

They are just off the top of my head. I imagine it's easier to spend money when it goes under "expenses", but gosh-freakin-darnit MP's have expenses.

well of course they have expenses...every body does..
try this out for the house problem ..which is a very real one without a doubt given house prices in and around London...agreed..

the armed forces and the police provide accomadation for those who need housing these accomodations are notoriously diabolical
given the value of the service these professionals provide..yes?

so do a similar job for MP's...provide MPs with free or subsidised accomodation in London...i have no problem with that the issue is a very real one..

but you can bet your life that if they did do this ..the accomodation would be far superior to that provided to a member of the armed services..

that's the rub..why and indeed how should an MP get preferential treatment on the basis of their profession?

are they Lords and the rest of use mere serfs?

if so i thought they were trying to get rid of reduce the influence/power of the House of Lords for this precise reasoning
it's just politics and that's their job...why should they themselves be the only ones in the country exempt from their own decisions?

[Captain Nemo]

Have you just realised this about our esteemed Members of Parliament Steed?

One of their biggest expenses claims is for an MP's secretary. I don't know the exact figures, but they get around £25,000 pa to hire a secretary. A lot of wise MP's of course hire their spouses!

Nemo

[STEED]

Well yes but this has taken the cake.

This proves they don't care and what will the cost to the tax payer next year. Greed power and corruption go hand in hand with a nice sum of big money.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by STEED

This proves they don't care and what will the cost to the tax payer next year. Greed power and corruption go hand in hand with a nice sum of big money.

And a fabulous pension to top it all.

Nemo

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by CB..

well of course they have expenses...every body does..

Don't be silly.

Originally Posted by STEED

They are all blood suckers who will drain this country dry they should all be locked up for life breaking rocks for there crime against the voters of this country.

the armed forces and the police provide accomadation for those who need housing these accomodations are notoriously diabolical
given the value of the service these professionals provide..yes?
so do a similar job for MP's...provide MPs with free or subsidised accomodation in London...i have no problem with that the issue is a very real one..
but you can bet your life that if they did do this ..the accomodation would be far superior to that provided to a member of the armed services..

Not a bad idea there, but it would still be a cost to the public, just moving the cost from individual MP expense accounts to a Parliamentary Housing Committee or somesuch. Could work out cheaper though.

that's the rub..why and indeed how should an MP get preferential treatment on the basis of their profession?

To take your example of a soldier/policeman. It's relatively cheap to train up a new soldier to replace a retired one. And there are hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
It costs quite a bit to run an election, even a by-election, and there are only 640 MP's. The renumeration to each is a reflection of their respective worth to the country.
That sounds harsh, but in terms of legislation passed and written, a single MP is worth more to the country than a single soldier.

if so i thought they were trying to get rid of reduce the influence/power of the House of Lords for this precise reasoning
it's just politics and that's their job...why should they themselves be the only ones in the country exempt from their own decisions?

Public reason - House Of Lords is undemocratic and anachronistic
Real reason - It's full of Tories
:p

[CB..]

To take your example of a soldier/policeman. It's relatively cheap to train up a new soldier to replace a retired one. And there are hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
It costs quite a bit to run an election, even a by-election, and there are only 640 MP's. The renumeration to each is a reflection of their respective worth to the country.
That sounds harsh, but in terms of legislation passed and written, a single MP is worth more to the country than a single soldier.

that is a question issue and debate that runs to the very heart of democratic politics..one man one vote etc etc

the reality may well be different of course...but if the Politicians them selves are not prepared to live under the auspices of a democratic system why the hell should any-body else...lol.....funny old world...i am being silly i know lol...but that IS the point

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

And a fabulous pension to top it all.

Nemo

Are don't forget they must serve two terms granted there can be a big gap between there first and second. As you say once they been reelected what a nice fat pension they get, I forget now is it £60,000 a year?

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by STEED

Are don't forget they must serve two terms granted there can be a big gap between there first and second. As you say once they been reelected what a nice fat pension they get, I forget now is it £60,000 a year?

Not sure of the actual figures, but you can guarantee it will be a darn sight more than most people get.

Nemo

[Letum]

After a little math it seams quite reasonable to me. Especially when compared to
figures from other countries.

Looks to me like the Daily mail et all.'s efforts to incite indignation and contempt from
the uninformed masses once again.