1st attempt at a proper patrol

Penelope_Grey · 10-24-07, 02:51 PM

Have to say I'm extremely disapointed.

I attacked a convoy in a Salmon class, due to the layout of the convoy and the fact it was very light night, I had to make a submerged attack, no problem. Everything is going fine, got two big beasties. Then I submerged down to 300ft to escape.

And nobody even came close to laying a depthcharge on me. Yet, all of a sudden everything starts getting damaged! I don't even know why. And the sub was destroyed. Totally destroyed.

I can't believe what happened, I truly can't. It was a real enjoyment killer...

mookiemookie · 10-24-07, 03:03 PM

Were you damaged previously? Any kind of prior hull damage can seriously limit your ability to dive deep without being crushed. SH4 doesn't, at present, give you a hull damage percentage number like SH3 does. If you see spraying water in your conning tower or control room, you'll know you have hull damage.

And of course, you didn't hit bottom, did you?

Also, remember that Japanese ASW was not very good at the beginning of the war. Funny thing about SH4...sometimes you'll get a destroyer crew full of idiots, and sometimes you'll get the devil. You never can tell.

Penelope_Grey · 10-24-07, 03:10 PM

Nope the sub was in perfect working order, showroom condition, and not so much as a scratch on the hull! There was no damage at all prior or during the attack. It just literally started falling to bits and despite my blowing ballast to lessen depth... nope. Wrecked!

donut · 10-24-07, 03:18 PM

My dear we found a more refined Mermaid ,for you

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You would think an S class,would take 300 Ft. Any previous damage ?

AVGWarhawk · 10-24-07, 03:18 PM

I ran into that once. Bobbing around inside the convoy. Not a scratch on the sub and wham! All hell breaks loose and down I go into the abyss. Strange indeed. I do not know what caused it but I never had it happen again.

Penelope_Grey · 10-24-07, 03:44 PM

Its SH4, nuff said.

AVGWarhawk · 10-24-07, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Its SH4, nuff said.

Sometimes a true enough statement:rotfl: All in all the game runs just great on my computer. No CTD at all. But yeah, this is a strange occurance and I had it only once.

I'm still glad you are giving it a run for the money! It has come a long way since the dark ages of release.

donut · 10-24-07, 03:49 PM

Battle sta.,damage team,run silent,just under thermal.hit "A" key.1Kts. If you take damage,blow to PD.Flank,turn off silent,& fight it out.

Ducimus · 10-24-07, 04:02 PM

sound like a relativly unmodded game.

- AI not DC close enough, i helped with that in TMaru. Its not as hard as the atlantic, but better then stock. I could have made it harder, but opted not to.

- Sub crush at 300 ft. Theres a bug where you wont see pressure damage anywhere except the conning tower. If your standing in the control room, you won't notice, and then die for seemingly no reason at all.

Penelope_Grey · 10-24-07, 04:30 PM

I tried again with this convoy and it made me nostalgic for the Atlantic if I'm honest.

I think I may have had a task force run in as there were a hell of a lot of warships. I opted to try and attack the merchants, but, its impossible, I can't manage to attack without getting detected at all...

And its not as though Im not used to attacking convoys... so... I dunno... The more I play SH4 the more I appreciate SH3. So I suppose tonight has been good for something...

Ducimus · 10-24-07, 04:45 PM

Detection rules for SH4 are the same as SH3. Just don't leave your periscope up for very long, and use thermal layers. At night time, don't get any closer then 3,000 yards on the surface, bows on. Personnaly i get no closer then 3500. As much as i hate pimping myself out. Try TM 1.6.4 with ROW textures if you haven't already, it seems to make a big difference to some peoples enjoyment of the game.

Personnaly, id advise against playing stock, it will traumatize a person. If SH4 stock was all there was, id have quit awhile ago.

AVGWarhawk · 10-24-07, 04:59 PM

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Personnaly, id advise against playing stock, it will traumatize a person.

That is just funny Duci :rotfl:

AVGWarhawk · 10-24-07, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

I tried again with this convoy and it made me nostalgic for the Atlantic if I'm honest.

I think I may have had a task force run in as there were a hell of a lot of warships. I opted to try and attack the merchants, but, its impossible, I can't manage to attack without getting detected at all...

And its not as though Im not used to attacking convoys... so... I dunno... The more I play SH4 the more I appreciate SH3. So I suppose tonight has been good for something...

Perhaps you are getting used to handling the convoys of GWX? Now it is the Japanese thinking for ASW? After a while I notice that modded DD can get predictable. Currently I use stock because there is a mix of really good DD and DD that just suck. You do not know what you are going to get. One time playing I decided to surface because I felt the DD were just crap.....I was wrong. Sunk like brick

Ducimus · 10-24-07, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Personnaly, id advise against playing stock, it will traumatize a person.

That is just funny Duci :rotfl:

It's true man! I never admitted it, but when SH4 first came out.... i was pissed, and dissappointed beyond words. I just never said anything and focused my angst into FTT, now TM. To this day i still cannot stand stock SH4.

AVGWarhawk · 10-24-07, 05:08 PM

I can only hope you are on the road to recovery. Very funny statement Duci.....I'm still laughing~

10-24-07, 02:51 PM	#1
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	1st attempt at a proper patrol Have to say I'm extremely disapointed. I attacked a convoy in a Salmon class, due to the layout of the convoy and the fact it was very light night, I had to make a submerged attack, no problem. Everything is going fine, got two big beasties. Then I submerged down to 300ft to escape. And nobody even came close to laying a depthcharge on me. Yet, all of a sudden everything starts getting damaged! I don't even know why. And the sub was destroyed. Totally destroyed. I can't believe what happened, I truly can't. It was a real enjoyment killer... __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

10-24-07, 03:03 PM	#2
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Were you damaged previously? Any kind of prior hull damage can seriously limit your ability to dive deep without being crushed. SH4 doesn't, at present, give you a hull damage percentage number like SH3 does. If you see spraying water in your conning tower or control room, you'll know you have hull damage. And of course, you didn't hit bottom, did you? Also, remember that Japanese ASW was not very good at the beginning of the war. Funny thing about SH4...sometimes you'll get a destroyer crew full of idiots, and sometimes you'll get the devil. You never can tell. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

10-24-07, 03:10 PM	#3
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nope the sub was in perfect working order, showroom condition, and not so much as a scratch on the hull! There was no damage at all prior or during the attack. It just literally started falling to bits and despite my blowing ballast to lessen depth... nope. Wrecked! __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

10-24-07, 03:18 PM	#4
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Perhaps you should stay-up,& take out the DDs My dear we found a more refined Mermaid ,for you Avatar You would think an S class,would take 300 Ft. Any previous damage ?

10-24-07, 03:18 PM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I ran into that once. Bobbing around inside the convoy. Not a scratch on the sub and wham! All hell breaks loose and down I go into the abyss. Strange indeed. I do not know what caused it but I never had it happen again. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road Last edited by AVGWarhawk; 10-24-07 at 03:33 PM.

10-24-07, 03:44 PM	#6
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Its SH4, nuff said. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

10-24-07, 03:49 PM	#8
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tought;1st patrol,green crew Battle sta.,damage team,run silent,just under thermal.hit "A" key.1Kts. If you take damage,blow to PD.Flank,turn off silent,& fight it out.

10-24-07, 04:02 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	sound like a relativly unmodded game. - AI not DC close enough, i helped with that in TMaru. Its not as hard as the atlantic, but better then stock. I could have made it harder, but opted not to. - Sub crush at 300 ft. Theres a bug where you wont see pressure damage anywhere except the conning tower. If your standing in the control room, you won't notice, and then die for seemingly no reason at all.

10-24-07, 04:30 PM	#10
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I tried again with this convoy and it made me nostalgic for the Atlantic if I'm honest. I think I may have had a task force run in as there were a hell of a lot of warships. I opted to try and attack the merchants, but, its impossible, I can't manage to attack without getting detected at all... And its not as though Im not used to attacking convoys... so... I dunno... The more I play SH4 the more I appreciate SH3. So I suppose tonight has been good for something... __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

10-24-07, 04:45 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Detection rules for SH4 are the same as SH3. Just don't leave your periscope up for very long, and use thermal layers. At night time, don't get any closer then 3,000 yards on the surface, bows on. Personnaly i get no closer then 3500. As much as i hate pimping myself out. Try TM 1.6.4 with ROW textures if you haven't already, it seems to make a big difference to some peoples enjoyment of the game. Personnaly, id advise against playing stock, it will traumatize a person. If SH4 stock was all there was, id have quit awhile ago.

10-24-07, 05:08 PM	#15
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I can only hope you are on the road to recovery. Very funny statement Duci.....I'm still laughing~ __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road