To Neal [Abraham donation proposal]

mapuc · 10-11-07, 09:30 AM

Dear Neal

Is it possible that we, those who may be interestet, make a donation to a, I don´t know what the english name for it is. It´s a round thing made of spruce and some other things from trees and decoratet and a white banner attached to it, made of silk(or something like it) with a text like "Rest in peace-from your friends at subsim"

I know that it can be difficult to arranged something like that, because wich time will the funeral be, when and will it be an open funeral or a closed one(only the chief mourner will attend)

Markus

The Avon Lady · 10-11-07, 09:50 AM

The word is "wreath".

Alternative: anyone who wants contribute to a non-denominational Dutch charity that everyone can agree with and send a condolence letter to his family of the contribution made in his memory.

mapuc · 10-11-07, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

The word is "wreath".

Alternative: anyone who wants contribute to a non-denominational Dutch charity that everyone can agree with and send a condolence letter to his family of the contribution made in his memory.

Thank you!
I don´t know if it's possible, that those who live in the Netherland and knew him, get the donation and buy a beutiful wreath and attend at the funeral(if it's possible)

Markus

bradclark1 · 10-11-07, 10:50 AM

I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks for that. Perhaps Neal could volunteer his "make a donation" to collect from those that want to partake.

Takeda Shingen · 10-11-07, 04:16 PM

Stickied

Onkel Neal · 10-11-07, 08:58 PM

I'll have to find a contact in Amsterdam who can determine who the next of kin are, and where we can send a memorial wreath. Any Dutch here, if you can make contact with Abraham's family, let me know. thanks

Skybird · 10-12-07, 07:15 PM

Don't get me wrong, I do not wish to bust the meeting, but Abraham and me had several PMs and emails over time, sometimes chatting, sometimes fighting, and at one opportunity and in a very different context he said that instead of buying wreaths when somebody was dying he would prefer to see the money spend on a life belt and then saving somebody in the water - in the end, he said, "both things would be round with an empty hole in the middle." That conversation was longer time ago. Don't misunderstand me, please, but you get the idea of what he said (half serious, half joking). So, instead of buying a wreath you could also contribute your money for a good cause, even in your local place - and in Abraham's name/for his sake. I'm sure he would have liked that better.

Again, do not get me wrong here, please.

bradclark1 · 10-12-07, 08:09 PM

A wreath or flowers doesn't do someone who has died much good. However, it does show his parent/brother/sister etc that he was well thought of by an international community. A community that cares enough to do this small thing. I would think this would help support them in a small way. It's all about the living.

btw all. I've contacted DutchNews to see if they can help. I'll post if and when I get a reply.

Onkel Neal · 10-12-07, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Don't get me wrong, I do not wish to bust the meeting, but Abraham and me had several PMs and emails over time, sometimes chatting, sometimes fighting, and at one opportunity and in a very different context he said that instead of buying wreaths when somebody was dying he would prefer to see the money spend on a life belt and then saving somebody in the water - in the end, he said, "both things would be round with an empty hole in the middle." That conversation was longer time ago. Don't misunderstand me, please, but you get the idea of what he said (half serious, half joking). So, instead of buying a wreath you could also contribute your money for a good cause, even in your local place - and in Abraham's name/for his sake. I'm sure he would have liked that better.

Again, do not get me wrong here, please.

No problem, I understand where you're coming from. I'm more interested in a gesture to his family, to console them. But I'll follow the wishes of the group here.

BlueBeard · 10-13-07, 06:28 AM

I was thinking more in the way that we should collect the pictures we have of him and send those to his family. Because there are some very nice pictures among them.

The Avon Lady · 10-13-07, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Don't get me wrong, I do not wish to bust the meeting, but Abraham and me had several PMs and emails over time, sometimes chatting, sometimes fighting, and at one opportunity and in a very different context he said that instead of buying wreaths when somebody was dying he would prefer to see the money spend on a life belt and then saving somebody in the water - in the end, he said, "both things would be round with an empty hole in the middle." That conversation was longer time ago. Don't misunderstand me, please, but you get the idea of what he said (half serious, half joking). So, instead of buying a wreath you could also contribute your money for a good cause, even in your local place - and in Abraham's name/for his sake. I'm sure he would have liked that better.

Again, do not get me wrong here, please.

No problem, I understand where you're coming from. I'm more interested in a gesture to his family, to console them. But I'll follow the wishes of the group here.

I agree with Skybird. It is common to notify a deceased relatives that a donation has been made to whatever cause is selected in memory of their lost one. That card stands a chance of being placed in a memorial album.

A wreath and its memory withers and dies faster, with the florist being the major beneficiary.

bradclark1 · 10-13-07, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I agree with Skybird. It is common to notify a deceased relatives that a donation has been made to whatever cause is selected in memory of their lost one. That card stands a chance of being placed in a memorial album.

A wreath and its memory withers and dies faster, with the florist being the major beneficiary.

Would not the card from the wreath?
If we get anywhere with information and donations maybe we could run a poll to get donors opinions.

Onkel Neal · 10-14-07, 12:18 AM

Whatever we decide, I am going to spend some time and make a written memorial and include it in the Almanac. I'll write on the time we had in Holland, how he took care of us Yanks, how much preparation and time he put into creating a tour for us, and some of his forum quotes.

10-11-07, 09:30 AM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	To Neal [Abraham donation proposal] Dear Neal Is it possible that we, those who may be interestet, make a donation to a, I don´t know what the english name for it is. It´s a round thing made of spruce and some other things from trees and decoratet and a white banner attached to it, made of silk(or something like it) with a text like "Rest in peace-from your friends at subsim" I know that it can be difficult to arranged something like that, because wich time will the funeral be, when and will it be an open funeral or a closed one(only the chief mourner will attend) Markus

10-11-07, 09:50 AM	#2
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The word is "wreath". Alternative: anyone who wants contribute to a non-denominational Dutch charity that everyone can agree with and send a condolence letter to his family of the contribution made in his memory. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

10-11-07, 08:58 PM	#6
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I'll have to find a contact in Amsterdam who can determine who the next of kin are, and where we can send a memorial wreath. Any Dutch here, if you can make contact with Abraham's family, let me know. thanks Last edited by Onkel Neal; 10-12-07 at 09:45 PM.

10-12-07, 07:15 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Don't get me wrong, I do not wish to bust the meeting, but Abraham and me had several PMs and emails over time, sometimes chatting, sometimes fighting, and at one opportunity and in a very different context he said that instead of buying wreaths when somebody was dying he would prefer to see the money spend on a life belt and then saving somebody in the water - in the end, he said, "both things would be round with an empty hole in the middle." That conversation was longer time ago. Don't misunderstand me, please, but you get the idea of what he said (half serious, half joking). So, instead of buying a wreath you could also contribute your money for a good cause, even in your local place - and in Abraham's name/for his sake. I'm sure he would have liked that better. Again, do not get me wrong here, please. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-12-07, 08:09 PM	#8
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	A wreath or flowers doesn't do someone who has died much good. However, it does show his parent/brother/sister etc that he was well thought of by an international community. A community that cares enough to do this small thing. I would think this would help support them in a small way. It's all about the living. btw all. I've contacted DutchNews to see if they can help. I'll post if and when I get a reply. Last edited by bradclark1; 10-12-07 at 10:23 PM.

10-11-07, 10:50 AM	#4
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks for that. Perhaps Neal could volunteer his "make a donation" to collect from those that want to partake.

10-11-07, 04:16 PM	#5
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Stickied

10-13-07, 06:28 AM	#10
BlueBeard The Chief Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 33 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I was thinking more in the way that we should collect the pictures we have of him and send those to his family. Because there are some very nice pictures among them.

10-14-07, 12:18 AM	#13
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Whatever we decide, I am going to spend some time and make a written memorial and include it in the Almanac. I'll write on the time we had in Holland, how he took care of us Yanks, how much preparation and time he put into creating a tour for us, and some of his forum quotes.