depth charges...

Steel_Tomb · 08-04-07, 02:18 PM

I was just play TM1.4 and I was wondering if the DC's have been toned down? They still seem a tad too powerful, much more than SHIII.

Ducimus · 08-04-07, 02:33 PM

They have max radius of 15 (default is 40), and a depth percision of 18 (default is 5). Not too disimilar from Sh3 mods.

So yeah theyve been toned down. I upped explosion range so you'll feel the boat shake more when they're close, but that doesn't increase their damage, only the force/magnitude of the shockwave that rocks the boat.

What your probably REALLY seeing, is how much more accurate the DD's are in placing those ashcans in Tmaru. In terms of Evasion, ive sort of taken a NYGM approach. In otherwords, if your creeping along, thinking that klingon cloaking device will save you, and not doing any evasive manuevering, your going to catch one.

Steel_Tomb · 08-04-07, 02:36 PM

The annoying thing was I was bellow a thermal layer at 1knt silent running, no active sonar either just BANG "diesels destroyed", "we have heavy flooding sir!" = blow ballast and dead.

Ducimus · 08-04-07, 02:41 PM

What year, and what was the weather conditions?

edit: Just FYI, a thermal layer is not like a thermal layer in SH3 via SH3 commander.

A thermal layer in SH3 , was really just a sensor modification that cut the maximum depth a sensor could detect anything at a random depth. Sometimes 160, sometimes 230. After that point, the game was blind.

A thermal layer in SH4, is a SIGNAL STRENGTH REDUCTION. They can still hear or ping, but the strength of the contact will be lessened.

PULSEOX · 08-04-07, 02:51 PM

I'm having a different experience with TM 1.4. that I find frustrating...I'm under the thermal layer- they stopped dropping charges....sound man is reporting warship bearing 010..moving away...

They keep moving away...there's no charges dropped-I'm above crush depth..and out of nowhere...pressure hull damamged, periscope destroyed. diesel damamged,etc,etc,etc.

Seems like it happens everytime I dive-whether they're finding me or not?

Steel_Tomb · 08-04-07, 02:51 PM

41, but the sea state was pretty calm, I'm still getting used to the different measurements. Used to reading metres from my many moons playing SHIII. Was really miffed about getting killed, had a 16000 tonne carrier and two 9k tonne passenger liners sunk!

Going a bit O/T here, but can someone instruct me on the ways of calculating speed/AOB please?

Ducimus · 08-04-07, 02:56 PM

Im still fine tuning the AI. (that is to say, its the accuracy of the DD's , and not so much the DC's) The mod isnt meant to be easy, but i dont want it momumentally difficult either. Im aiming for just "hard". Newer players to submarine simulations will be put off by Tmaru, because it really demands alot of knowledge on the part of the player.

As for measurments, yeah it takes some getting used to if your used to JUST metric. If you use a hodgpodge of the two (like we do in the US, and dont ask me why i really dont know why we do it, were just weird that way), its not so bad. I really like depth measured in feet, but prefer visual distances in meters. I wish i could have both at once

edit:

speed. You can use the nomograph, or the 3 minute rule. Under the Imperial system, the time mark is 3 minutes instead of 3 mins and 15 seconds in metric.

Raptor_341 · 10-04-07, 02:13 AM

Can someone tell me why at 80m my pressure hull is breached by a single depth charge that is falling at LEAST 50m or more from the sub? Using TM 1.6.2 - 1000 pound charge of something? 8 partols, can't count how many aircraft i'd downed, junks, small ships, and even 4 DDs. Then sunk below the thermal layer after running silent, at 80 meters will one charge! And i saw the dam thing fall and explode from my OB scope. All this = blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die.

Rockin Robbins · 10-04-07, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor_341

Can someone tell me why at 80m my pressure hull is breached by a single depth charge that is falling at LEAST 50m or more from the sub? Using TM 1.6.2 - 1000 pound charge of something? 8 partols, can't count how many aircraft i'd downed, junks, small ships, and even 4 DDs. Then sunk below the thermal layer after running silent, at 80 meters will one charge! And i saw the dam thing fall and explode from my OB scope. All this = blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die.

If you're taking on planes and DD's you've doubtless taken some damage. Your submarine collects hitpoints, not reported as damage by your crew, which reduce your sub's depthkeeping ability and hull strength. Your hull was most probably reduced and 240 feet was close to your new crush depth. When the depth charge went off, it put you over the edge and "blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die." Of course, you don't make it clear whether the depth charge killed you or you surfaced and were killed off by the guns of whatever was up there, you are not clear at all on what happened, so I am making some assumptions here that may not apply.

Unlike SH3 where you have god-like knowledge of your sub's status, SH4 is more realistic in that you do not know everything that is wrong. There are a couple of "cheater" programs, Damage Analyzer II comes to mind, that will analyse a save-game and reveal this hidden information.

Raptor_341 · 10-04-07, 07:56 PM

>> I was mad last night so you will have to disregard that last post. It was my 7th partol, just outside of turk. Late 1942. Samlon class. Seen by two subchasers, fired 4 eels, missed by a second. Dive the boat to at depth of 80m. ( I had taken no damage since the patrol had started, no contacts really even, one duel with a zero that i won without a bomb even hitting close ) So damage is out of the question. Subchaser starts a run, i'm well below the TL now, running silent. He starts charging at LEAST 200 m off the bow. I take a quick look in the OB scope to see if i can see anything at all, and i see a charge go off the forward bow, but it had to be at least 100 m away. 2 charges in total, one nothing, second all i can hear is we have heavy flooding. Pressure hull ripped open in at least 2 sections. I try to maintain depth and damage control for about 5 min, its a losing battle so i blow the main tanks and take her up. Seeing as there is no abandon ship option, i fire a few rounds from the deck gun in anger and then thats it...

I was killed by fire on the surface in answer to your question, but, why are the charges so powerful in SH4. I'm a GWX vet. SH4 is eazy vs. GWX, this is the first real time i took damage, and the last one. Also i am using TM 1.6.2.
Any ideas so is this just SH4?

-Pv- · 10-07-07, 01:48 PM

I agree with rockin responding to the posts why I die with one hit or no hits and not at crush depth. Remember any engagement might produce hull damage you are completely unaware of. A depth excursion of only 1 ft below what your damaged sub can take will do you in. Those of you blowing ballast to save your boat- you know you can do that more than once right? With good crew and damage management, you can often buy yourself enough time to at least hold a shallow depth until it's safe to come up and run for port.
-Pv-

tater · 10-10-07, 01:06 AM

Even stock DCs would do nothing at all at 100m. The range that they will shake your boat is only 50m, so if the boat shook, what you thought was at least 100m was actually under 50m.

I've been testing DCs a lot lately. Allowing, indeed encouraging them to attack me. I take no damage unless the ashcan is very close with TM values.

Perhaps the 2d charge shacked you? The DCs in SH4 (presumably 3 s well?) have no collider, so they can actually pass inside your hull and explode (there is no hull to them). Perhaps that was the issue, damage has got to be bad when that happens.

tater

08-04-07, 02:18 PM	#1
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	depth charges... I was just play TM1.4 and I was wondering if the DC's have been toned down? They still seem a tad too powerful, much more than SHIII. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

08-04-07, 02:36 PM	#3
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The annoying thing was I was bellow a thermal layer at 1knt silent running, no active sonar either just BANG "diesels destroyed", "we have heavy flooding sir!" = blow ballast and dead. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

08-04-07, 02:51 PM	#5
PULSEOX Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tombstone AZ Posts: 102 Downloads: 417 Uploads: 0	I'm having a different experience with TM 1.4. that I find frustrating...I'm under the thermal layer- they stopped dropping charges....sound man is reporting warship bearing 010..moving away... They keep moving away...there's no charges dropped-I'm above crush depth..and out of nowhere...pressure hull damamged, periscope destroyed. diesel damamged,etc,etc,etc. Seems like it happens everytime I dive-whether they're finding me or not? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]*"We build them well in Germany....eh Heinie?"*

08-04-07, 02:51 PM	#6
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	41, but the sea state was pretty calm, I'm still getting used to the different measurements. Used to reading metres from my many moons playing SHIII. Was really miffed about getting killed, had a 16000 tonne carrier and two 9k tonne passenger liners sunk! Going a bit O/T here, but can someone instruct me on the ways of calculating speed/AOB please? __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

10-04-07, 02:13 AM	#8
Raptor_341 Loader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	nuclear depth charge? Can someone tell me why at 80m my pressure hull is breached by a single depth charge that is falling at LEAST 50m or more from the sub? Using TM 1.6.2 - 1000 pound charge of something? 8 partols, can't count how many aircraft i'd downed, junks, small ships, and even 4 DDs. Then sunk below the thermal layer after running silent, at 80 meters will one charge! And i saw the dam thing fall and explode from my OB scope. All this = blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die.

08-04-07, 02:33 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	They have max radius of 15 (default is 40), and a depth percision of 18 (default is 5). Not too disimilar from Sh3 mods. So yeah theyve been toned down. I upped explosion range so you'll feel the boat shake more when they're close, but that doesn't increase their damage, only the force/magnitude of the shockwave that rocks the boat. What your probably REALLY seeing, is how much more accurate the DD's are in placing those ashcans in Tmaru. In terms of Evasion, ive sort of taken a NYGM approach. In otherwords, if your creeping along, thinking that klingon cloaking device will save you, and not doing any evasive manuevering, your going to catch one.

08-04-07, 02:41 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	What year, and what was the weather conditions? edit: Just FYI, a thermal layer is not like a thermal layer in SH3 via SH3 commander. A thermal layer in SH3 , was really just a sensor modification that cut the maximum depth a sensor could detect anything at a random depth. Sometimes 160, sometimes 230. After that point, the game was blind. A thermal layer in SH4, is a SIGNAL STRENGTH REDUCTION. They can still hear or ping, but the strength of the contact will be lessened.

08-04-07, 02:56 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Im still fine tuning the AI. (that is to say, its the accuracy of the DD's , and not so much the DC's) The mod isnt meant to be easy, but i dont want it momumentally difficult either. Im aiming for just "hard". Newer players to submarine simulations will be put off by Tmaru, because it really demands alot of knowledge on the part of the player. As for measurments, yeah it takes some getting used to if your used to JUST metric. If you use a hodgpodge of the two (like we do in the US, and dont ask me why i really dont know why we do it, were just weird that way), its not so bad. I really like depth measured in feet, but prefer visual distances in meters. I wish i could have both at once edit: speed. You can use the nomograph, or the 3 minute rule. Under the Imperial system, the time mark is 3 minutes instead of 3 mins and 15 seconds in metric.

10-04-07, 07:56 PM	#10
Raptor_341 Loader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	>> I was mad last night so you will have to disregard that last post. It was my 7th partol, just outside of turk. Late 1942. Samlon class. Seen by two subchasers, fired 4 eels, missed by a second. Dive the boat to at depth of 80m. ( I had taken no damage since the patrol had started, no contacts really even, one duel with a zero that i won without a bomb even hitting close ) So damage is out of the question. Subchaser starts a run, i'm well below the TL now, running silent. He starts charging at LEAST 200 m off the bow. I take a quick look in the OB scope to see if i can see anything at all, and i see a charge go off the forward bow, but it had to be at least 100 m away. 2 charges in total, one nothing, second all i can hear is we have heavy flooding. Pressure hull ripped open in at least 2 sections. I try to maintain depth and damage control for about 5 min, its a losing battle so i blow the main tanks and take her up. Seeing as there is no abandon ship option, i fire a few rounds from the deck gun in anger and then thats it... I was killed by fire on the surface in answer to your question, but, why are the charges so powerful in SH4. I'm a GWX vet. SH4 is eazy vs. GWX, this is the first real time i took damage, and the last one. Also i am using TM 1.6.2. Any ideas so is this just SH4?

10-07-07, 01:48 PM	#11
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I agree with rockin responding to the posts why I die with one hit or no hits and not at crush depth. Remember any engagement might produce hull damage you are completely unaware of. A depth excursion of only 1 ft below what your damaged sub can take will do you in. Those of you blowing ballast to save your boat- you know you can do that more than once right? With good crew and damage management, you can often buy yourself enough time to at least hold a shallow depth until it's safe to come up and run for port. -Pv-

10-10-07, 01:06 AM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Even stock DCs would do nothing at all at 100m. The range that they will shake your boat is only 50m, so if the boat shook, what you thought was at least 100m was actually under 50m. I've been testing DCs a lot lately. Allowing, indeed encouraging them to attack me. I take no damage unless the ashcan is very close with TM values. Perhaps the 2d charge shacked you? The DCs in SH4 (presumably 3 s well?) have no collider, so they can actually pass inside your hull and explode (there is no hull to them). Perhaps that was the issue, damage has got to be bad when that happens. tater