Ubisoft profits

TDK1044 · 09-18-07, 02:00 PM

If you go to this link and click on the 'Download PDF' button, you can see that Ubisoft look to be in pretty good shape financially this year. Hopefully, this will encourage them regarding a possible Silent Hunter 5.

http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/index.ph...lsdGVyX3llYXI9

TDK1044 · 09-18-07, 02:12 PM

Another Moderator is free to move this to GT if you feel it would be better placed there.

Iron Budokan · 09-18-07, 02:16 PM

Good news.

XLjedi · 09-18-07, 02:17 PM

Man, that ain't what I'm gettin from that report...

If I put on my CEO hat for a moment, I'm thinkin slash the meager PC line entirely and hire another 150 to make more console "casual games".

All their success in this report is stemming from next gen consoles. The only spec of dim light I see for their PC line is that it wasn't a negative contribution to sales. PC games as a percent of sales dropping from 43% to 6% in one year is a pretty telling story of where Ubi's attention is now clearly focused.

I guess we could hope for a dumbed down X360 or PS3 naval game.

TDK1044 · 09-18-07, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronblood

Man, that ain't what I'm gettin from that report...

If I put on my CEO hat for a moment, I'm thinkin slash the meager PC line entirely and hire another 150 to make more console "casual games".

All their success in this report is stemming from next gen consoles. The only spec of dim light I see for their PC line is that it wasn't a negative contribution to sales. PC games as a percent of sales dropping from 43% to 6% in one year is a pretty telling story of where Ubi's attention is now clearly focused.

I guess we could hope for a dumbed down X360 or PS3 naval game.

I agree with your assessment, but you can afford to continue to produce PC sims if your company is flourishing in the console market and the PC games are not actually losing money.

XLjedi · 09-18-07, 02:31 PM

Well... I guess they're not going out of business. In that sense, I guess it's good news.

I was pretty much sayin the same thing 2 months ago... This update only confirms what I've suspected.

But yeah, you're right, could be worse, 6% isn't zero yet. I'd be surprised to see any PC releases from Ubi in 2008 that aren't console ports.

Skybird · 09-18-07, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044

If you go to this link and click on the 'Download PDF' button, you can see that Ubisoft look to be in pretty good shape financially this year. Hopefully, this will encourage them regarding a possible Silent Hunter 5.

More broken submarine software from UbiSoft? I may be seen as old-fashioned - but i think it would be more appropriate to fix the predecessor before messing up things with a fifth part again.

Sorry, but the general feedback here and on the web concerning SH4 does not make me put my trust in them regarding SH5.

switch.dota · 09-19-07, 09:22 AM

Have to agree there - SH 3 & 4 were playable only months after release.

SUBMAN1 · 09-19-07, 10:22 AM

What this tells me is that you have a company that releases a much hyped and wanted product, and then reaps the benefit without supporting it. Great way to make money.

-S

Capt. Shark Bait · 09-19-07, 11:04 AM

looks like we're gonna see a lot more toy games for toy machines

STEED · 09-19-07, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

What this tells me is that you have a company that releases a much hyped and wanted product, and then reaps the benefit without supporting it. Great way to make money.

-S

cynical remark but true it's the old story bigger they are the less they care.

ReallyDedPoet · 09-19-07, 11:13 AM

Not just an UBI thing, look at some of the stuff EA has put out. Lets hope PC Games don't die, Consoles just don't offer the same experience.

RDP

Rockin Robbins · 09-19-07, 12:49 PM

You're a game company. If you put out a toy game like Ratchet and Clank, the kiddies lap it up and love it. The game company makes tons of money and everybody's happy.

If, on the other hand, you merely release the two best submarine simulations in the history of the planet, you get a crowd of customers who treat you like you just broke into their house. Their belly-aching kills your sales numbers and you vow to put out lots more cotton candy games that everybody pays for and nobody complains about.

We reap what we sow. We had posts complaining about the lack of periscope animations in the conning tower that dripped with hostility. When American subs' sonar worked on the surface, which was historically accurate, the vitriol from the boo squad sounded like someone raped their sister.

Ubi is not Nazi Germany. We are not in a concentration camp. They are a game company and we are playing the best subsim there is. Where's the gratitude? Is there such a thing as constructive suggestions? Do we actually expect a perfect cutting edge game? If you look at that report, Ubi is committing an act of charity just to produce such a limited audience game to a bunch of ingrates like us.

You know what? We're lucky to have what we have. Where's the gratitude?

Tchocky · 09-19-07, 12:53 PM

Good post R_R

TDK1044 · 09-20-07, 07:08 AM

I think with the Silent Hunter series, when you purchase the game at the time it's released, you are investing in a game that will require significant patching over the following six months.

The metrics have shown Ubisoft that they can get away with paying a full Dev team for 12 months, instead of the 18 months required, as long as they pay a small Dev patch crew to offer three or four patches after release.

So if we get Silent Hunter 5, you can either pay $49 at the time of release and patch it as you go, or wait six months and buy it for under $20 and then add the latest patch.

There are obviously valid arguments to be made about releasing unfinished games etc, but when the PC Game market is shrinking at an alarming rate, this is how it's going to be.

09-18-07, 02:00 PM	#1
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Ubisoft profits If you go to this link and click on the 'Download PDF' button, you can see that Ubisoft look to be in pretty good shape financially this year. Hopefully, this will encourage them regarding a possible Silent Hunter 5. http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/index.ph...lsdGVyX3llYXI9

09-18-07, 02:16 PM	#3
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Good news. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

09-18-07, 02:17 PM	#4
XLjedi Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 8	Man, that ain't what I'm gettin from that report... If I put on my CEO hat for a moment, I'm thinkin slash the meager PC line entirely and hire another 150 to make more console "casual games". All their success in this report is stemming from next gen consoles. The only spec of dim light I see for their PC line is that it wasn't a negative contribution to sales. PC games as a percent of sales dropping from 43% to 6% in one year is a pretty telling story of where Ubi's attention is now clearly focused. I guess we could hope for a dumbed down X360 or PS3 naval game. __________________

09-18-07, 02:31 PM	#6
XLjedi Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 8	Well... I guess they're not going out of business. In that sense, I guess it's good news. I was pretty much sayin the same thing 2 months ago... This update only confirms what I've suspected. But yeah, you're right, could be worse, 6% isn't zero yet. I'd be surprised to see any PC releases from Ubi in 2008 that aren't console ports. __________________

09-19-07, 10:22 AM	#9
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What this tells me is that you have a company that releases a much hyped and wanted product, and then reaps the benefit without supporting it. Great way to make money. -S __________________

09-18-07, 02:12 PM	#2
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Another Moderator is free to move this to GT if you feel it would be better placed there.

09-19-07, 09:22 AM	#8
switch.dota Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 492 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Have to agree there - SH 3 & 4 were playable only months after release.

09-19-07, 11:04 AM	#10
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09-19-07, 11:13 AM	#12
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,888 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Not just an UBI thing, look at some of the stuff EA has put out. Lets hope PC Games don't die, Consoles just don't offer the same experience. RDP __________________ Back in the Day

09-19-07, 12:49 PM	#13
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	What do we expect? You're a game company. If you put out a toy game like Ratchet and Clank, the kiddies lap it up and love it. The game company makes tons of money and everybody's happy. If, on the other hand, you merely release the two best submarine simulations in the history of the planet, you get a crowd of customers who treat you like you just broke into their house. Their belly-aching kills your sales numbers and you vow to put out lots more cotton candy games that everybody pays for and nobody complains about. We reap what we sow. We had posts complaining about the lack of periscope animations in the conning tower that dripped with hostility. When American subs' sonar worked on the surface, which was historically accurate, the vitriol from the boo squad sounded like someone raped their sister. Ubi is not Nazi Germany. We are not in a concentration camp. They are a game company and we are playing the best subsim there is. Where's the gratitude? Is there such a thing as constructive suggestions? Do we actually expect a perfect cutting edge game? If you look at that report, Ubi is committing an act of charity just to produce such a limited audience game to a bunch of ingrates like us. You know what? We're lucky to have what we have. Where's the gratitude? __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

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09-20-07, 07:08 AM	#15
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I think with the Silent Hunter series, when you purchase the game at the time it's released, you are investing in a game that will require significant patching over the following six months. The metrics have shown Ubisoft that they can get away with paying a full Dev team for 12 months, instead of the 18 months required, as long as they pay a small Dev patch crew to offer three or four patches after release. So if we get Silent Hunter 5, you can either pay $49 at the time of release and patch it as you go, or wait six months and buy it for under $20 and then add the latest patch. There are obviously valid arguments to be made about releasing unfinished games etc, but when the PC Game market is shrinking at an alarming rate, this is how it's going to be.