TM1.6 and finding things to sink

mortis1967 · 08-27-07, 01:28 PM

started a new career and and headed upto my mission in Luzon straight , and came across a task force. Made a mess of the force and headed back for a rearm encounterd another task force on the way home, avoided it and made it safe back to port.

that i think took me upto dec 11. Since then and its now jan 20th i havent encounted a single target. Ive been traveling the shipping lanes as pictured on the map and setting search patterns along those routes but havnt seen or heard a thing apart from planes, and radio traffic about islands being taken over.

so the question is . Is this how its supposed to be? am i missing something , are the shipping lanes on the map correct or is it just not worth bothering with them.

how regular should i be getting targets. and any tips on finding targets.(not really interested in sailing into enemy harbours to shoot sitting ducks)

any help or adivce in this area of the game would be most gratefull

cali03boss · 08-27-07, 02:08 PM

Did you make birth at port or did you just refit?

There was another thread here talking about how if you just refit constantly eventually the convoys stop appearing...this is to stop people from doing this action specifically.

John Channing · 08-27-07, 02:10 PM

Try this...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...17&postcount=3

JCC

tater · 08-27-07, 02:14 PM

You modded or stock?

tater

mortis1967 · 08-27-07, 02:43 PM

modded with tm1.6

didnt dock was just a refit/rearm

just some other info ,asiatic fleet 1941

tater · 08-27-07, 03:32 PM

Duh, I forgot the thread title, lol.

Early war the contact reports are VERY thin. It gets better starting in March.

The shipping routes are NOT what's on the map anymore.

Major routes were:

Empire<-->Singapore, but only after the fall of Singapore (unlike the stock game where jap shipping is coming from ports owned by the allies).

Empire<-->Palau. Traffic right from the start. (branches east and south date dependant)

Empire<-->Truk. Traffic from the start (branches east and south date dependant)

Empire<-->China(and other mainland in their control). From the start.

Empire coastal traffic.

All the routes are a little towards land from the map you have (in both directions) since ships would frequently be in and out of multiple ports.

tater

Rockin Robbins · 08-27-07, 03:58 PM

Notice:

You have been reported by tater's modified campaign layer for cheating, to wit: illegally returning to port for a refit, attempting against Admiral Lockwood's orders, and contrary to reality, to pile on illegitimate tonage during the present patrol. Do you not want the collect the upgraded equipment, crew medals and promotions and perhaps a shiny new submarine you would get from not cheating? Hmmmmmmm? This behavior is most puzzling. So long as you fulfil your goals properly, there is no danger of premature retirement. Now you are in trouble with the Admiral. We will be waiting outside his door when you emerge from his office. Pardon us if we laugh a little. You should not be looking forward to this meeting.

mortis1967 · 08-27-07, 04:33 PM

so its bad form to rearm / refit for more fish.
your saying i should dock after running out of fish?

id only been out of port for like 5-6 days , on route to my mission, didnt even get to the mission, because i came across a taskforce. Im sure the admiral would of loved my explanation of why i continued on my mission with no fish

so is there an updated map anywhere to download /print out

Snuffy · 08-27-07, 05:19 PM

Ummm you don't have to sink everything you come across.

I just ran my first mission with TM 1.6 and made it from Pearl to Honshu and then the China Sea and back to Pearl and only fired two torpedos. The sinking mechanics are great! I sat there idle for the better part of an hour waiting for the ship to finally give it up and sink.

Most of the time was spent motoring from point A to point B in open ocean, then evading aircraft once I got near enough to their bases.

All in all! I apprecaite all the work done by those whose work was incorporated into TM!

This was by far one of my better missions even though I only sunk one ship.

tater · 08-27-07, 05:28 PM

The first few months most jap shipping is busy conquering a large chunk of the world

. Look where the invasions are. Also, regular shipping will come and go from places they conquer as they conquer it. Looking for tons of shipping in the south china sea before they secure places to send the shipping won't get you much.

BTW, the refit "problem" is not just my campaign/TM, it's in the STOCK game. 41a goes to end of Feb, 42a is March to August, 42b is Sept to Aug '43, and so forth. That's the stock layer system which i didn't change.

If you want to play realistically, you only "refit" (awful word choice, what it is is refueling and rearming, a refit alters the sub physically) when it is available CLOSE TO THE FRONT.

Acceptable (IMO) times to make a double patrol:

1. Asiatic out of Manila. You shoot all your fish and have only been out a short while.

2. Asiatic out of Surabaya, same rules, short time after starting, out of fish.

3. Late war when there are forward refueling and rearming stations (stripped anchors)--ONCE per patrol (a "double barreled patrol"), then home.

That's it, anything else is gobbling up a powerup.

tater

Rockin Robbins · 08-27-07, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortis1967

so its bad form to rearm / refit for more fish.
your saying i should dock after running out of fish?

id only been out of port for like 5-6 days , on route to my mission, didnt even get to the mission, because i came across a taskforce. Im sure the admiral would of loved my explanation of why i continued on my mission with no fish

so is there an updated map anywhere to download /print out

Put yourself in the Admiral's place. A new captain has gone out of port, but instead of getting to his mission, 2 days out of port he encountered a Jap battle fleet and sank a couple of lousy battleships. The captain returned with a cool 40,000 tons and 2 BB's swimming with the fishies. What can you say to him? You idiot, you didn't take pictures of x harbor? You came back with your secret agent? You didn't sink a couple of merchies for 10,000 tons? No, you must smile, hand the guy his medal of honor, promotions for his crew, bronze stars and silver stars all around. Now you can chew him out if you wish.

But I think you will bite your tongue, smile, tell him he's a good dog and send somebody else out to do what he was supposed to do.

Success is the ultimate answer for under-achievement.

tater · 08-27-07, 06:51 PM

Yeah, the whole patrol objectives stuff needs serious work. I think it's fair to say that patrol objectives, triggers, etc is every bit as complicated as making the base traffic layers. I could see a campaign with literally hundreds of different missions built.

My new patrol objectives (still very beta) have things like bigger patrol areas set to "non continuous" (meaning you can exit the patrol area for a while and it remembers the time---all the default ones are set so that if you are 1 mile out of the zone, the clock resets!). I then tell you where to patrol, and for how long. Like, "Patrol the Slot Between the Russell Islands and Bouganville for 2 weeks upon reaching the patrol area."

tater

Packerton · 08-27-07, 07:22 PM

This is why I prefer Silent hunter 3, no missions crap.

I readioed in a Task force when I had 2 torps left (its realistic for a skipper to radio anything in regardless of his position), and got an order to inflict heavy damage to the task force....I had 2 torps and the taskforce was 3 Battleships and other assorted ships.

I tried 2 on a cruiser but coulden get her to go down so I went back to base and was retired...

AirborneTD · 08-27-07, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

The first few months most jap shipping is busy conquering a large chunk of the world

. Look where the invasions are. Also, regular shipping will come and go from places they conquer as they conquer it. Looking for tons of shipping in the south china sea before they secure places to send the shipping won't get you much.

BTW, the refit "problem" is not just my campaign/TM, it's in the STOCK game. 41a goes to end of Feb, 42a is March to August, 42b is Sept to Aug '43, and so forth. That's the stock layer system which i didn't change.

If you want to play realistically, you only "refit" (awful word choice, what it is is refueling and rearming, a refit alters the sub physically) when it is available CLOSE TO THE FRONT.

Acceptable (IMO) times to make a double patrol:

1. Asiatic out of Manila. You shoot all your fish and have only been out a short while.

2. Asiatic out of Surabaya, same rules, short time after starting, out of fish.

3. Late war when there are forward refueling and rearming stations (stripped anchors)--ONCE per patrol (a "double barreled patrol"), then home.

I That's it, anything else is gobbling up a powerup.

tater

I agree completely, Tater. I will only double-barrel late in the war when rearming at Saipan or Guam. I just wish you could transfer (to forward bases) while in port, leave Pearl (or Brisbane/Freemantle), conduct your patrol and then end at your NEW base. I hate how you transfer to Brisbane while at Pearl and are magically transported there with no loss of time. Grrrrrr. Great game otherwise.

WilhelmSchulz. · 08-27-07, 09:45 PM

I only refit coming from Pearl to empire areas. Stoping at midway.

08-27-07, 01:28 PM	#1
mortis1967 Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	TM1.6 and finding things to sink started a new career and and headed upto my mission in Luzon straight , and came across a task force. Made a mess of the force and headed back for a rearm encounterd another task force on the way home, avoided it and made it safe back to port. that i think took me upto dec 11. Since then and its now jan 20th i havent encounted a single target. Ive been traveling the shipping lanes as pictured on the map and setting search patterns along those routes but havnt seen or heard a thing apart from planes, and radio traffic about islands being taken over. so the question is . Is this how its supposed to be? am i missing something , are the shipping lanes on the map correct or is it just not worth bothering with them. how regular should i be getting targets. and any tips on finding targets.(not really interested in sailing into enemy harbours to shoot sitting ducks) any help or adivce in this area of the game would be most gratefull

08-27-07, 02:08 PM	#2
cali03boss Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 123 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Did you make birth at port or did you just refit? There was another thread here talking about how if you just refit constantly eventually the convoys stop appearing...this is to stop people from doing this action specifically. __________________ Sargo Class USS Sargo

08-27-07, 02:43 PM	#5
mortis1967 Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	modded with tm1.6 didnt dock was just a refit/rearm just some other info ,asiatic fleet 1941 Last edited by mortis1967; 08-27-07 at 03:23 PM.

08-27-07, 03:58 PM	#7
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Cheater! Notice: You have been reported by tater's modified campaign layer for cheating, to wit: illegally returning to port for a refit, attempting against Admiral Lockwood's orders, and contrary to reality, to pile on illegitimate tonage during the present patrol. Do you not want the collect the upgraded equipment, crew medals and promotions and perhaps a shiny new submarine you would get from not cheating? Hmmmmmmm? This behavior is most puzzling. So long as you fulfil your goals properly, there is no danger of premature retirement. Now you are in trouble with the Admiral. We will be waiting outside his door when you emerge from his office. Pardon us if we laugh a little. You should not be looking forward to this meeting. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-27-07, 04:33 PM	#8
mortis1967 Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	so its bad form to rearm / refit for more fish. your saying i should dock after running out of fish? id only been out of port for like 5-6 days , on route to my mission, didnt even get to the mission, because i came across a taskforce. Im sure the admiral would of loved my explanation of why i continued on my mission with no fish so is there an updated map anywhere to download /print out Last edited by mortis1967; 08-27-07 at 04:47 PM.

08-27-07, 02:10 PM	#3
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Try this... http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...17&postcount=3 JCC

08-27-07, 02:14 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	You modded or stock? tater

08-27-07, 03:32 PM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Duh, I forgot the thread title, lol. Early war the contact reports are VERY thin. It gets better starting in March. The shipping routes are NOT what's on the map anymore. Major routes were: Empire<-->Singapore, but only after the fall of Singapore (unlike the stock game where jap shipping is coming from ports owned by the allies). Empire<-->Palau. Traffic right from the start. (branches east and south date dependant) Empire<-->Truk. Traffic from the start (branches east and south date dependant) Empire<-->China(and other mainland in their control). From the start. Empire coastal traffic. All the routes are a little towards land from the map you have (in both directions) since ships would frequently be in and out of multiple ports. tater

08-27-07, 05:19 PM	#9
Snuffy XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 420 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Ummm you don't have to sink everything you come across. I just ran my first mission with TM 1.6 and made it from Pearl to Honshu and then the China Sea and back to Pearl and only fired two torpedos. The sinking mechanics are great! I sat there idle for the better part of an hour waiting for the ship to finally give it up and sink. Most of the time was spent motoring from point A to point B in open ocean, then evading aircraft once I got near enough to their bases. All in all! I apprecaite all the work done by those whose work was incorporated into TM! This was by far one of my better missions even though I only sunk one ship. __________________ ----------------- Snuffy!

08-27-07, 05:28 PM	#10
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The first few months most jap shipping is busy conquering a large chunk of the world . Look where the invasions are. Also, regular shipping will come and go from places they conquer as they conquer it. Looking for tons of shipping in the south china sea before they secure places to send the shipping won't get you much. BTW, the refit "problem" is not just my campaign/TM, it's in the STOCK game. 41a goes to end of Feb, 42a is March to August, 42b is Sept to Aug '43, and so forth. That's the stock layer system which i didn't change. If you want to play realistically, you only "refit" (awful word choice, what it is is refueling and rearming, a refit alters the sub physically) when it is available CLOSE TO THE FRONT. Acceptable (IMO) times to make a double patrol: 1. Asiatic out of Manila. You shoot all your fish and have only been out a short while. 2. Asiatic out of Surabaya, same rules, short time after starting, out of fish. 3. Late war when there are forward refueling and rearming stations (stripped anchors)--ONCE per patrol (a "double barreled patrol"), then home. That's it, anything else is gobbling up a powerup. tater

08-27-07, 06:51 PM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, the whole patrol objectives stuff needs serious work. I think it's fair to say that patrol objectives, triggers, etc is every bit as complicated as making the base traffic layers. I could see a campaign with literally hundreds of different missions built. My new patrol objectives (still very beta) have things like bigger patrol areas set to "non continuous" (meaning you can exit the patrol area for a while and it remembers the time---all the default ones are set so that if you are 1 mile out of the zone, the clock resets!). I then tell you where to patrol, and for how long. Like, "Patrol the Slot Between the Russell Islands and Bouganville for 2 weeks upon reaching the patrol area." tater

08-27-07, 07:22 PM	#13
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	This is why I prefer Silent hunter 3, no missions crap. I readioed in a Task force when I had 2 torps left (its realistic for a skipper to radio anything in regardless of his position), and got an order to inflict heavy damage to the task force....I had 2 torps and the taskforce was 3 Battleships and other assorted ships. I tried 2 on a cruiser but coulden get her to go down so I went back to base and was retired...

08-27-07, 09:45 PM	#15
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I only refit coming from Pearl to empire areas. Stoping at midway. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."