Constant Air attacks

CptWilkins · 08-17-07, 12:25 AM

Does anyone else find them as tiresome as I do?

I don't mind getting a few to add to the flavour of the game, but getting constant ones for about 2 or 3 days every time you go anywhere near land seems a bit too much for me. It's just getting annoying now.

Just one man's opinion.

/end rant

Fat Bhoy Tim · 08-17-07, 04:51 AM

Search planes flew continuallly, out on long race track patterns to and from their base. It's a simple case of charting a course around the bases, and making sure you don't engage any of them. The moment you're seen, the area will be flooded with them for days. If you are going to head towards a base, do it directly to minimise the overlap.

CptWilkins · 08-17-07, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Bhoy Tim

Search planes flew continuallly, out on long race track patterns to and from their base. It's a simple case of charting a course around the bases, and making sure you don't engage any of them. The moment you're seen, the area will be flooded with them for days. If you are going to head towards a base, do it directly to minimise the overlap.

Good point, I'll take that on board.

AirborneTD · 08-17-07, 09:34 AM

I don't know what (if any) mods you are running but I have little trouble with planes. I am running 1.3 with 1.5 TM mod (plus a few others). I put a circle around known bases or landfall out to about 600 miles. When I get within this area I usually cruise submerged during the day. With the newest versions, I get plenty of warning by radar so even cruising during the day surfaced is quite possible for speed. From all I've read, a/c were quite troublesome to US subs. Having to dive over 8 times daily was certainly not unheard of for some. Depends on the area I guess. Many convoys in RL also had almost constant air cover. Would be nice to see that modeled.

SteamWake · 08-17-07, 09:42 AM

Yea there pesky alright...

The mods mentioned above do 'adjust' the air traffic a bit and is the way to go.

FAdmiral · 08-17-07, 10:58 AM

A stand-alone mod called "reduced air traffic" was made some time ago.
You can do a search for it or check the sticky mods section...

JIM

cali03boss · 08-17-07, 11:11 AM

or you can stop sailing on the surface during the day....

Ducimus · 08-17-07, 01:01 PM

From what ive been observing lately, it feels like the game randomly spawns aircraft near you. I honestly don't think they fly around the pacific looking for you. What makes me think this is going from pearl to Honshu, and ive noticed a good number of planes approching from the north. There ARE no airbases up north that are within range. On top of that, they seem to fly criss cross at, or near your location. On top of that, ive reduced some of the airbases to just 2 or 3 squadrons, (as opposed to the orginal 6 to 9), and frequency doesnt seem to have been reduced all that much. It feels like the games making a decision, aircraft, or no aircraft? If it decides to spawn aircraft, then thats it, you may as well stay submerged.

I think the aircraft wave frequency can be adjusted tho so the time between these air attacks is less.

ReallyDedPoet · 08-17-07, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FAdmiral

A stand-alone mod called "reduced air traffic" was made some time ago.
You can do a search for it or check the sticky mods section...

JIM

This is the one, see the read-me.

ParaB's tweaked air strikes, JSGME-compatible version, V 1.0

This mod reduces the probability of enemy air strikes and increases the pauses between them. To make up for that, the effectiveness of airstrikes has been considerably increased during day (but decreased during night).

In gameplay terms this means that you'll get attacked by aircraft a lot less, but if you see an aircraft they will pose a much more serious threat.

This mod works best during early war, 1941/42.

RDP

Fat Bhoy Tim · 08-17-07, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

From what ive been observing lately, it feels like the game randomly spawns aircraft near you. I honestly don't think they fly around the pacific looking for you. What makes me think this is going from pearl to Honshu, and ive noticed a good number of planes approching from the north. There ARE no airbases up north that are within range. On top of that, they seem to fly criss cross at, or near your location. On top of that, ive reduced some of the airbases to just 2 or 3 squadrons, (as opposed to the orginal 6 to 9), and frequency doesnt seem to have been reduced all that much. It feels like the games making a decision, aircraft, or no aircraft? If it decides to spawn aircraft, then thats it, you may as well stay submerged.

I think the aircraft wave frequency can be adjusted tho so the time between these air attacks is less.

I dunno about up north, but depending on my course I often catch the same aircraft on the return leg of their search flight. Do keep in mind the fleets will have search planes themselves.

But from what you're saying, it may be a case of that. However whenever I see aircraft I can always trace a line back to their base.

cali03boss · 08-17-07, 01:14 PM

There is no way the game models planes from take off all the way to your location. They spawn when you enter the maximum limited flight distance for the planes from their bases.

FAdmiral · 08-17-07, 02:10 PM

After spending a week near Rabaul June 1943 in my "Sink the Yamato" patrol,
I have my aircraft file tweaked to nearly perfect. I usually saw the flight of a
H8K in AM, PM & evening coming from the direction of Rabaul and then heading
back about 10 min later. If I was sighted by air or surface, I saw zeros come
in to bomb the sea where I had been sighted. If I torped a merchant, Bettys
would usually come in to the help the DDs put holes in the water. They were NEVER very accurate. This to me was about as realistic as I could expect....

JIM

Fat Bhoy Tim · 08-17-07, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali03boss

There is no way the game models planes from take off all the way to your location. They spawn when you enter the maximum limited flight distance for the planes from their bases.

I've gone right past some bases and seen nothing. Maybes aye, maybes naw.

Ducimus · 08-17-07, 03:44 PM

What im experimting with now is reducing airbase range, and long range aircraft to a maximum of 1000 KM. Stock, that airbase on wake island could concievably send planes against midway. Given the numberious airbases scattered all over the pacific, this is some tremendous overlay. Ive also decreased squadron numbers for long range craft from 6 and 9 to like 2 and 3. So hopefully this works out. On a side note, im also upping the chance for an airstrike if detected from 10% to 70%.

08-17-07, 12:25 AM	#1
CptWilkins Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 49 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Constant Air attacks Does anyone else find them as tiresome as I do? I don't mind getting a few to add to the flavour of the game, but getting constant ones for about 2 or 3 days every time you go anywhere near land seems a bit too much for me. It's just getting annoying now. Just one man's opinion. /end rant __________________ Commander of HMAS Bushranger, Pride of the Asiatic.

08-17-07, 04:51 AM	#2
Fat Bhoy Tim Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 338 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Search planes flew continuallly, out on long race track patterns to and from their base. It's a simple case of charting a course around the bases, and making sure you don't engage any of them. The moment you're seen, the area will be flooded with them for days. If you are going to head towards a base, do it directly to minimise the overlap. __________________ Some men are born great, some achieve greatness, and some will always be total gits.

08-17-07, 09:34 AM	#4
AirborneTD Engineer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 204 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I don't know what (if any) mods you are running but I have little trouble with planes. I am running 1.3 with 1.5 TM mod (plus a few others). I put a circle around known bases or landfall out to about 600 miles. When I get within this area I usually cruise submerged during the day. With the newest versions, I get plenty of warning by radar so even cruising during the day surfaced is quite possible for speed. From all I've read, a/c were quite troublesome to US subs. Having to dive over 8 times daily was certainly not unheard of for some. Depends on the area I guess. Many convoys in RL also had almost constant air cover. Would be nice to see that modeled. __________________ "You know, you might get surrounded." "We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded." --Band of Brothers

08-17-07, 10:58 AM	#6
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	A stand-alone mod called "reduced air traffic" was made some time ago. You can do a search for it or check the sticky mods section... JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

08-17-07, 11:11 AM	#7
cali03boss Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 123 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	or you can stop sailing on the surface during the day.... __________________ Sargo Class USS Sargo

08-17-07, 09:42 AM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yea there pesky alright... The mods mentioned above do 'adjust' the air traffic a bit and is the way to go.

08-17-07, 01:01 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	From what ive been observing lately, it feels like the game randomly spawns aircraft near you. I honestly don't think they fly around the pacific looking for you. What makes me think this is going from pearl to Honshu, and ive noticed a good number of planes approching from the north. There ARE no airbases up north that are within range. On top of that, they seem to fly criss cross at, or near your location. On top of that, ive reduced some of the airbases to just 2 or 3 squadrons, (as opposed to the orginal 6 to 9), and frequency doesnt seem to have been reduced all that much. It feels like the games making a decision, aircraft, or no aircraft? If it decides to spawn aircraft, then thats it, you may as well stay submerged. I think the aircraft wave frequency can be adjusted tho so the time between these air attacks is less.

08-17-07, 01:14 PM	#11
cali03boss Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 123 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	There is no way the game models planes from take off all the way to your location. They spawn when you enter the maximum limited flight distance for the planes from their bases. __________________ Sargo Class USS Sargo

08-17-07, 02:10 PM	#12
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	After spending a week near Rabaul June 1943 in my "Sink the Yamato" patrol, I have my aircraft file tweaked to nearly perfect. I usually saw the flight of a H8K in AM, PM & evening coming from the direction of Rabaul and then heading back about 10 min later. If I was sighted by air or surface, I saw zeros come in to bomb the sea where I had been sighted. If I torped a merchant, Bettys would usually come in to the help the DDs put holes in the water. They were NEVER very accurate. This to me was about as realistic as I could expect.... JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org Last edited by FAdmiral; 08-17-07 at 02:33 PM.

08-17-07, 03:44 PM	#14
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	What im experimting with now is reducing airbase range, and long range aircraft to a maximum of 1000 KM. Stock, that airbase on wake island could concievably send planes against midway. Given the numberious airbases scattered all over the pacific, this is some tremendous overlay. Ive also decreased squadron numbers for long range craft from 6 and 9 to like 2 and 3. So hopefully this works out. On a side note, im also upping the chance for an airstrike if detected from 10% to 70%.