Max Depth for Depth Charges?

Seaman Staines · 08-12-07, 03:27 PM

While playing hide'n'seek with a handul of rather unfriendly British destroyers, I got to wondering if there's a maximum depth the charges can go before either premature detonation or implosion. I was in far deeper waters than my u-boat can go so I'm curious if I was to hide out at, say, >150 would I be out of effective range where I could sit silently until the Brits got tired? How accurately are depth charges modelled in SH3 (and GWX) in regard to maximum depth?

Penelope_Grey · 08-12-07, 03:32 PM

It all depends. Talking from a GWX standpoint, in the early war, you hide at 150m and go silent, they are not going to find you because their technology is not good enough. However, yes depthcharges can reach 150m easily, and in later war you will find a barrage tumbling down to you.

However its not exact science is depthcharging they would guess your depth, so if you were at say... 500ft - 151.5m

Then, they would know that you are between 400 and 600 feet they would have an idea and a spread would be dropped from their lowest to highest estimate, it only took one or two depthcharges to either sink the sub, or force it to the surface.

Though, the maximum I believe depthcharges can go in SH3/GWX is 300m however the only sub capable of reaching and exceeding that is the VIIC/41 and 42. The XXI I am not sure about.

Tom · 08-12-07, 03:38 PM

Also, as long as they can locate you, they won't get tired and leave. Even if they run out of depth charges, they'll circle around and wait until you're forced to surface to replenish batteries and air. And they will be calling for help, attracting all other units nearby to join the hunt.

They only lose interest and go away if they can't hear or locate you with asdic for 30 minutes or so.

irish1958 · 08-12-07, 04:08 PM

Tom
That's not very nice of them.

Steel_Tomb · 08-12-07, 04:33 PM

I think though that if you get below 300m their asdic can't reach you right? so they would leave eventualy.

Sailor Steve · 08-12-07, 05:11 PM

About 200 meters for the best of them.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMBR_ASW.htm
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMUS_ASW.htm

Once they had hedgehogs depth ceased to matter.

Rhodes · 08-12-07, 06:20 PM

In the biography of Reinhard "Teddy" Suhren, he tells that in the first years of the war, I think until 41, the max depth of the british deep charges was 120m, and many times, the U-48 (when he was the I WO.) dived bellow that deep to have a safe evasion.

Don't know if thats moded in GWX but when I play during 41 or early, many times dived below 120m and escaped. But it can also be the "lack" of experience/ASW tecnology.

mowgli99 · 08-12-07, 06:59 PM

i have experienced hedgehogs one and they truly are the devil

.They nailed me. I was taking on water. Scraped the sea floor and was forced to surface. Bad things afer that

.

Tom · 08-12-07, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish1958

Tom
That's not very nice of them.

No, it isn't. On the other hand, they don't consider your attempts at sinking the merchants they are protecting that nice either.

JackSparrow · 08-12-07, 11:33 PM

i havent encountered hedgehogs yet, and sure hope i don't...

The Noob · 08-13-07, 08:15 AM

AFAIK depth charges are limited to 300m. If they reach this depth they vanish. No explosion, implosion, or anything. They are just gone. I think its the same with hedgehogs. It could be modded, but diving below 300m without getting crushed isnt possible, and it doesnt make sense to set your crush dept below 300 (except if your a arcade-style cheater

), so no one cares to mod it. And in early war, the charges can sink to 300, too, but if the destroyers cant get a fix on you they dont drop them, so you should be safe at 150m in 39 and 40.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackSparrow

i havent encountered hedgehogs yet, and sure hope i don't...

You will, and you wont like it!

Jimbuna · 08-13-07, 08:47 AM

The only realistic tactic is to run silent and deep

Unless as already pointed out you are an arcade type player with an abundance of......................and....................... .

STEED · 08-13-07, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

arcade type player with an abundance of......................and....................... .

ERR

I have never been killed by a Hedgehog attack but they caused me big time damage which only lasted a short time as they pored there big depth charges on me and good night.

Captain Nemo · 08-13-07, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mowgli99

i have experienced hedgehogs one and they truly are the devil

.They nailed me. I was taking on water. Scraped the sea floor and was forced to surface. Bad things afer that

.

From the books I've read, in real life hedgehogs were not highly rated by the Royal Navy, they much preferred the depth charge as an ASW weapon.

Nemo

Jimbuna · 08-13-07, 10:45 AM

The big plus of the hedgehog (in deep water, anyway) was the fact that any explosion was a 100% indicator to the escort that the sub was damaged or destroyed

08-12-07, 03:27 PM	#1
Seaman Staines Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 23 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Max Depth for Depth Charges? While playing hide'n'seek with a handul of rather unfriendly British destroyers, I got to wondering if there's a maximum depth the charges can go before either premature detonation or implosion. I was in far deeper waters than my u-boat can go so I'm curious if I was to hide out at, say, >150 would I be out of effective range where I could sit silently until the Brits got tired? How accurately are depth charges modelled in SH3 (and GWX) in regard to maximum depth? __________________ *"A depth charge has a magnificent laxative effect on a submariner."* *Lt. Sheldon H. Kinney, Commander, USS Bronstein (DE 189)*

08-12-07, 03:32 PM	#2
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It all depends. Talking from a GWX standpoint, in the early war, you hide at 150m and go silent, they are not going to find you because their technology is not good enough. However, yes depthcharges can reach 150m easily, and in later war you will find a barrage tumbling down to you. However its not exact science is depthcharging they would guess your depth, so if you were at say... 500ft - 151.5m Then, they would know that you are between 400 and 600 feet they would have an idea and a spread would be dropped from their lowest to highest estimate, it only took one or two depthcharges to either sink the sub, or force it to the surface. Though, the maximum I believe depthcharges can go in SH3/GWX is 300m however the only sub capable of reaching and exceeding that is the VIIC/41 and 42. The XXI I am not sure about. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

08-12-07, 04:08 PM	#4
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Tom That's not very nice of them. __________________ Irish1958

08-12-07, 04:33 PM	#5
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think though that if you get below 300m their asdic can't reach you right? so they would leave eventualy. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

08-12-07, 05:11 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	About 200 meters for the best of them. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMBR_ASW.htm http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMUS_ASW.htm Once they had hedgehogs depth ceased to matter. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-12-07, 03:38 PM	#3
Tom Gunner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 97 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Also, as long as they can locate you, they won't get tired and leave. Even if they run out of depth charges, they'll circle around and wait until you're forced to surface to replenish batteries and air. And they will be calling for help, attracting all other units nearby to join the hunt. They only lose interest and go away if they can't hear or locate you with asdic for 30 minutes or so.

08-12-07, 06:20 PM	#7
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,515 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	In the biography of Reinhard "Teddy" Suhren, he tells that in the first years of the war, I think until 41, the max depth of the british deep charges was 120m, and many times, the U-48 (when he was the I WO.) dived bellow that deep to have a safe evasion. Don't know if thats moded in GWX but when I play during 41 or early, many times dived below 120m and escaped. But it can also be the "lack" of experience/ASW tecnology. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

08-12-07, 06:59 PM	#8
mowgli99 Engineer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 215 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i have experienced hedgehogs one and they truly are the devil .They nailed me. I was taking on water. Scraped the sea floor and was forced to surface. Bad things afer that .

08-12-07, 11:33 PM	#10
JackSparrow Seaman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: U-179 Posts: 40 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i havent encountered hedgehogs yet, and sure hope i don't... __________________ I, JackSparrow, Kapitän von U-179, wünschen dir gutes Glück und die gute Jagd.

08-13-07, 08:47 AM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The only realistic tactic is to run silent and deep Unless as already pointed out you are an arcade type player with an abundance of......................and....................... . __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-13-07, 10:45 AM	#15
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The big plus of the hedgehog (in deep water, anyway) was the fact that any explosion was a 100% indicator to the escort that the sub was damaged or destroyed __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!