Small Split / Small OLD Split in Rec. Manual

ReDRuM71 · 08-14-07, 02:40 PM

I did a search but couldnt find anything on this. If there is a topic on this, sorry for new thread and please point me in right direction.

In the rec manual there is "Small Split" and "Small OLD Split" freighters. The only differece is the mast height. One is around 79ft, the other, around 84ft.(At work right now, so not sure exact details). Nothing about the structure of the ships changes b/t the two when you flip the pages back and forth in the rec manual.

This is really messing up my firing solutions when I encounter this ship. Can some one please tell me if Im missing something?
BTW, I am using the SI_Improved Rec Manual that came with a sub interior mod.

Nightmare · 08-14-07, 03:53 PM

I noticed this too the other night. The mast height difference between the two is enough to introduce some pretty big range errors into the TDC. This would explain why I end up missing more when shooting at small split freighters.

ReDRuM71 · 08-15-07, 03:38 PM

Wow! 54 views and only 1 other person has this problem.
Maybe its a mod I have installed:hmm:

Sailor Steve · 08-15-07, 04:54 PM

Well, some of us see a thread, look at it and say "I have no idea what he's talking about", and move on without making a reply. The choice is, make no reply and look callous and insensitive, or make a reply and look stupid.

I look stupid all the time; callous and insensitive is a novelty, so I choose that one for a change.

ReDRuM71 · 08-15-07, 08:28 PM

Sorry. Didnt mean to sound upset because people were replying. What I was getting at was, I was surprised that the issue I was having wasnt seen by other people. Thats what lead me to believe its the recognition manual that came w/ the mod Im using.

Frederf · 08-15-07, 11:33 PM

I've noticed it too. With TriggerMaru there's an added "Identify this vessel" button which alieviates that headache. As far as realism goes, real ships painted their masts gray, added or subtracted height to things and basically tried their best to confuse and disrupt the submarine threat.

It should be a good consolation to you that if you have the AOB, speed, and bearing correct the range simply doesn't matter. The solution will give you exactly the gyro angle every time (except for the close range curve thing but that's close range). If you're using range to get heading and speed and such.. well then that's another problem.

I know the "button" doesn't help you if you're running stock SH4... but then again why would anyone run stock SH4?

ReDRuM71 · 08-16-07, 12:20 AM

Have not tried TM yet, but I am not playing vanila either. Almost all of Capt Cox's mods, Leo's L.B.O., Tater's campaign layers, Kriller's eye candy mod, and many others. I think I will try TM, just afraid I wont be able to use some of the other great mods I enjoy w/ it.

Frederf · 08-16-07, 01:06 AM

TM contains LBO, much of Tater's campaign work, and heartily suggests (and is compatible with) Cox's interface mod. I'm unsure about Kriller, I would imagine not as many mods modify the scene.dat.

C DuDe · 08-16-07, 06:11 AM

At work now, but think I know what vessels you mean and know what the difference is. I’ll check tonight.

Think it’s the roping that differ.

Seaman_Hornsby · 08-16-07, 10:34 AM

I noticed these near-identical ships a while back in the recognition manual and thought it was a product of the 1.3 patch, not mods. Although I could be mistaken. :hmm:

tater · 08-16-07, 10:46 AM

The only eqp differences seem to be sailors on the NKSSS_Kasagisan, and none on the KSS.

The KSS is a "BP-clone," meaning it points at the NKSSS_Kasagisan model, there should be no physical differences at all. The jap version gets a hydrophone later, too. They even all use the same textures.

tater

ReDRuM71 · 08-16-07, 11:01 AM

The only physical diff I see is the mast height, but that enough to throw off my TDC. Im thinking about removing one of the ships, but not sure which one. Or I may just not attack this ship class, maybe its not worth the hassel considering the low tonnage anyway.

tater · 08-16-07, 11:30 AM

Meaning the mast height is different in the cfg?

That won't change the actual mast height, though. Physically, there is only 1 model, it just has 2 different names.

AVGWarhawk · 08-16-07, 11:52 AM

Also, get as close to the target as possible 1000 yards are closer. Critical data such as mast height for range are lessened. More room for error is introduced when you get very close to the target and the outcome will be what you want. Worse comes to worse, ping the target and feed the TDC with that range.

08-14-07, 02:40 PM	#1
ReDRuM71 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 51 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Small Split / Small OLD Split in Rec. Manual I did a search but couldnt find anything on this. If there is a topic on this, sorry for new thread and please point me in right direction. In the rec manual there is "Small Split" and "Small OLD Split" freighters. The only differece is the mast height. One is around 79ft, the other, around 84ft.(At work right now, so not sure exact details). Nothing about the structure of the ships changes b/t the two when you flip the pages back and forth in the rec manual. This is really messing up my firing solutions when I encounter this ship. Can some one please tell me if Im missing something? BTW, I am using the SI_Improved Rec Manual that came with a sub interior mod. __________________

08-15-07, 03:38 PM	#3
ReDRuM71 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 51 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Wow! 54 views and only 1 other person has this problem. Maybe its a mod I have installed:hmm: __________________

08-15-07, 04:54 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well, some of us see a thread, look at it and say "I have no idea what he's talking about", and move on without making a reply. The choice is, make no reply and look callous and insensitive, or make a reply and look stupid. I look stupid all the time; callous and insensitive is a novelty, so I choose that one for a change. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-15-07, 08:28 PM	#5
ReDRuM71 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 51 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Sorry. Didnt mean to sound upset because people were replying. What I was getting at was, I was surprised that the issue I was having wasnt seen by other people. Thats what lead me to believe its the recognition manual that came w/ the mod Im using. __________________

08-16-07, 12:20 AM	#7
ReDRuM71 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 51 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Have not tried TM yet, but I am not playing vanila either. Almost all of Capt Cox's mods, Leo's L.B.O., Tater's campaign layers, Kriller's eye candy mod, and many others. I think I will try TM, just afraid I wont be able to use some of the other great mods I enjoy w/ it. __________________

08-14-07, 03:53 PM	#2
Nightmare Engineer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 210 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I noticed this too the other night. The mast height difference between the two is enough to introduce some pretty big range errors into the TDC. This would explain why I end up missing more when shooting at small split freighters.

08-15-07, 11:33 PM	#6
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	I've noticed it too. With TriggerMaru there's an added "Identify this vessel" button which alieviates that headache. As far as realism goes, real ships painted their masts gray, added or subtracted height to things and basically tried their best to confuse and disrupt the submarine threat. It should be a good consolation to you that if you have the AOB, speed, and bearing correct the range simply doesn't matter. The solution will give you exactly the gyro angle every time (except for the close range curve thing but that's close range). If you're using range to get heading and speed and such.. well then that's another problem. I know the "button" doesn't help you if you're running stock SH4... but then again why would anyone run stock SH4?

08-16-07, 01:06 AM	#8
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	TM contains LBO, much of Tater's campaign work, and heartily suggests (and is compatible with) Cox's interface mod. I'm unsure about Kriller, I would imagine not as many mods modify the scene.dat.

08-16-07, 06:11 AM	#9
C DuDe Ensign Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 229 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	At work now, but think I know what vessels you mean and know what the difference is. I’ll check tonight. Think it’s the roping that differ.

08-16-07, 10:34 AM	#10
Seaman_Hornsby Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 203 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	I noticed these near-identical ships a while back in the recognition manual and thought it was a product of the 1.3 patch, not mods. Although I could be mistaken. :hmm: __________________ Friends, when once a man is launched on such an adventure as this, he must bid farewell to hopes and fears, otherwise death or deliverance will both come too late to save his honor and his reason.

08-16-07, 10:46 AM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The only eqp differences seem to be sailors on the NKSSS_Kasagisan, and none on the KSS. The KSS is a "BP-clone," meaning it points at the NKSSS_Kasagisan model, there should be no physical differences at all. The jap version gets a hydrophone later, too. They even all use the same textures. tater

08-16-07, 11:01 AM	#12
ReDRuM71 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 51 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	The only physical diff I see is the mast height, but that enough to throw off my TDC. Im thinking about removing one of the ships, but not sure which one. Or I may just not attack this ship class, maybe its not worth the hassel considering the low tonnage anyway. __________________

08-16-07, 11:30 AM	#13
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Meaning the mast height is different in the cfg? That won't change the actual mast height, though. Physically, there is only 1 model, it just has 2 different names.

08-16-07, 11:52 AM	#14
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Also, get as close to the target as possible 1000 yards are closer. Critical data such as mast height for range are lessened. More room for error is introduced when you get very close to the target and the outcome will be what you want. Worse comes to worse, ping the target and feed the TDC with that range. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road