ATI driver version question...

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 11:59 AM

Does anybody have any experience with ATI driver versions 7.1 THROUGH 7.6 ? Specifically, has anybody here run these versions AND USED WINDOWS 'CLASSIC' DESKTOP?

COB

clayp · 07-08-07, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief of the Boat

Does anybody have any experience with ATI driver versions 7.1 THROUGH 7.6 ? Specifically, has anybody here run these versions AND USED WINDOWS 'CLASSIC' DESKTOP?

COB

My backup system has an ATI X1950 with CAT7.5 I think with Classic desktop,whats your point??

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 01:29 PM

Ahh.. good. Thanks for the response. Not easy to get. Well, I have an X1600 that has been serving me well. Flight Games, SH3, etc. SH4 looks good too, though, you know... I 'could use' better. In an effort to 'try', I downloaded 7.6 [and 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5]. I installed 7.6 and played SH4. I 'think' it was a little better on Frame Rate, etc. Then... I found that when I started my computer, it came up in the XP desktop. Further, I hate the racket from the stock 'sounds' so I have selected 'No Sounds' in the control panel, and normally, they are NOT on. Well, with 7.6 installed, even that setting didn't 'hold'. I THEN found that if I went back to 7.1, the 'odd' condition remained. So...[moan]... I reformatted the computer, and started again. After a week or so of trying to nail it down, I have concluded that installation of the files for 7.2 --7.6 installs some file(s) that 'confuses' the O.S., causing it to not hold settings. Worse,I can't 'go back' to 7.1 'conditions'. I wiped out the registry on each try...'nope'.

My Wife's computer is also Hewlett-Packard and her's does exactly the same things... with HER X1600.

I did a final DB&N cleaning of MY H/D, reformatted... installed 7.1 and all is well, of course. I went to the ATI site and tried to get Tech Support on the issue, but I guess my 'card' is too old for that.

Since this occurs in TWO machines, it must be 'real'... but I had hoped to get a better handle on it...

COB

clayp · 07-08-07, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief of the Boat

Ahh.. good. Thanks for the response. Not easy to get. Well, I have an X1600 that has been serving me well. Flight Games, SH3, etc. SH4 looks good too, though, you know... I 'could use' better. In an effort to 'try', I downloaded 7.6 [and 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5]. I installed 7.6 and played SH4. I 'think' it was a little better on Frame Rate, etc. Then... I found that when I started my computer, it came up in the XP desktop. Further, I hate the racket from the stock 'sounds' so I have selected 'No Sounds' in the control panel, and normally, they are NOT on. Well, with 7.6 installed, even that setting didn't 'hold'. I THEN found that if I went back to 7.1, the 'odd' condition remained. So...[moan]... I reformatted the computer, and started again. After a week or so of trying to nail it down, I have concluded that installation of the files for 7.2 --7.6 installs some file(s) that 'confuses' the O.S., causing it to not hold settings. Worse,I can't 'go back' to 7.1 'conditions'. I wiped out the registry on each try...'nope'.

My Wife's computer is also Hewlett-Packard and her's does exactly the same things... with HER X1600.

I did a final DB&N cleaning of MY H/D, reformatted... installed 7.1 and all is well, of course. I went to the ATI site and tried to get Tech Support on the issue, but I guess my 'card' is too old for that.

Since this occurs in TWO machines, it must be 'real'... but I had hoped to get a better handle on it...

COB

HMMMM Sounds VERY strange to me..I used ATI for a loooong time until this system and never had anything close to that..Do you have a sound card or onboard sound?

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 02:23 PM

Ohhh.... yeah. Been making me pull the rest of the hair out of my head, that's for sure! We both have "Creative SB Audigy 4" audio...

I have heard of some kinds of things where audio messes...Really odd, to me. But then, so is a video driver situation that messes up desktop settings ! That is, unless one [or more] of those files that the CCC programs that come WITH the driver installs a conflicting 'dll / dat / bat'...whatever. [way out of my league there, I just recognise that such file extensions exist in the 'nerve system' of the computers]

COB

AVGWarhawk · 07-08-07, 04:46 PM

I do not know but I can tell you that 7.6 produced CTD for me. I have reverted to 7.3 which always seemed good to me.

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 04:59 PM

Thanks, 'Hawk... I have not had CTD with any version...although I have to admit that I have not 'wrung out' either SH yet... just dabbled.... Spring/Summer chores, etc...

COB

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 05:12 PM

Do either of you [or anybody else reading this] know what happens, or how it works, to only install the Drivers, and NOT the Catalyst Control Panel? From the way I run this machine, all I ever do with it is turn on the Anti-Aliasing.. and that for Falcon 4.0 [It seems to take more of a Frame Rate hit from 1600x1200 res than from 1024 or so and A-A] With no need for A-A, *I* personally, have no need for the CCC files...

Gads, I hate the thought, but I might just risk ONE MORE reformat, just to find out..................

COB

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 05:14 PM

For that matter, I wonder what happens if you run 7.6 Drivers and 7.1 CCC ???????????????????

Subject · 07-08-07, 05:32 PM

Never liked CCC, installed new versions a couple of times to have a look, but always ends up uninstalling it

ATI strongly recommends *not* to mix different versions of drivers/CCC. Compability issues...

Occasional I forget to use ATI's "uninstall all"-software before installing new drivers. Always gives me very slow screen updating... pita.

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 05:38 PM

So..... you have run ONLY drivers, and not 'the tools' [CCC]...?

clayp · 07-08-07, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief of the Boat

Do either of you [or anybody else reading this] know what happens, or how it works, to only install the Drivers, and NOT the Catalyst Control Panel? From the way I run this machine, all I ever do with it is turn on the Anti-Aliasing.. and that for Falcon 4.0 [It seems to take more of a Frame Rate hit from 1600x1200 res than from 1024 or so and A-A] With no need for A-A, *I* personally, have no need for the CCC files...

Gads, I hate the thought, but I might just risk ONE MORE reformat, just to find out..................

COB

I NEVER!! use the CCC,I use Ray Adams "ATI Tray Tools"..Just use the D/L driver only and get Tray Tools at....http://www.guru3d.com/article/atitraytools/189/

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 06:04 PM

Good.... Got 'em... Where do you Extract that 7Z file TO ???

CaptainHaplo · 07-08-07, 06:04 PM

I am running 7.5 and only use the classic desktop. I also only use the driver only - the "CCC" is buggy as all get out. Have not had a single issue as you describe - not so sure I would pin it on the vid driver necessarily. If you do decide to reformat - I suggest that once you get it set like you want it before the new driver install - do a ghost or similiar image so its easy to recover. Then install the driver - and nothing else - and reboot - see if the desktop has reverted. If so - reghost and then do an image compare and see what has changed. Its very odd for a device driver to change config files for the OS like that.

Chief of the Boat · 07-08-07, 06:19 PM

I probably confused the issue by refering to 'Drivers' when I actually meant both the DD_XP and the CCC_EN files.... which.... apparently are not BOTH necessary.

I have heard of the Ghost routine, but am not familiar with it. I *have* DB&N + Recovery so many times it is 'easy'... just a little time consuming. I have a 500 GB external H/D that we both use for a 'disconnectable' back-up, but I feel sure of simply Biting the Bullet.

I'm going to Go For It tomorrow... Kind of excited to find some Reason amongst the Chaos of last week !

07-08-07, 11:59 AM	#1
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	ATI driver version question... Does anybody have any experience with ATI driver versions 7.1 THROUGH 7.6 ? Specifically, has anybody here run these versions AND USED WINDOWS 'CLASSIC' DESKTOP? COB __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 01:29 PM	#3
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ahh.. good. Thanks for the response. Not easy to get. Well, I have an X1600 that has been serving me well. Flight Games, SH3, etc. SH4 looks good too, though, you know... I 'could use' better. In an effort to 'try', I downloaded 7.6 [and 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5]. I installed 7.6 and played SH4. I 'think' it was a little better on Frame Rate, etc. Then... I found that when I started my computer, it came up in the XP desktop. Further, I hate the racket from the stock 'sounds' so I have selected 'No Sounds' in the control panel, and normally, they are NOT on. Well, with 7.6 installed, even that setting didn't 'hold'. I THEN found that if I went back to 7.1, the 'odd' condition remained. So...[moan]... I reformatted the computer, and started again. After a week or so of trying to nail it down, I have concluded that installation of the files for 7.2 --7.6 installs some file(s) that 'confuses' the O.S., causing it to not hold settings. Worse,I can't 'go back' to 7.1 'conditions'. I wiped out the registry on each try...'nope'. My Wife's computer is also Hewlett-Packard and her's does exactly the same things... with HER X1600. I did a final DB&N cleaning of MY H/D, reformatted... installed 7.1 and all is well, of course. I went to the ATI site and tried to get Tech Support on the issue, but I guess my 'card' is too old for that. Since this occurs in TWO machines, it must be 'real'... but I had hoped to get a better handle on it... COB __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 02:23 PM	#5
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ohhh.... yeah. Been making me pull the rest of the hair out of my head, that's for sure! We both have "Creative SB Audigy 4" audio... I have heard of some kinds of things where audio messes...Really odd, to me. But then, so is a video driver situation that messes up desktop settings ! That is, unless one [or more] of those files that the CCC programs that come WITH the driver installs a conflicting 'dll / dat / bat'...whatever. [way out of my league there, I just recognise that such file extensions exist in the 'nerve system' of the computers] COB __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 04:46 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,272 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I do not know but I can tell you that 7.6 produced CTD for me. I have reverted to 7.3 which always seemed good to me. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

07-08-07, 04:59 PM	#7
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks, 'Hawk... I have not had CTD with any version...although I have to admit that I have not 'wrung out' either SH yet... just dabbled.... Spring/Summer chores, etc... COB __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 05:12 PM	#8
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Do either of you [or anybody else reading this] know what happens, or how it works, to only install the Drivers, and NOT the Catalyst Control Panel? From the way I run this machine, all I ever do with it is turn on the Anti-Aliasing.. and that for Falcon 4.0 [It seems to take more of a Frame Rate hit from 1600x1200 res than from 1024 or so and A-A] With no need for A-A, I personally, have no need for the CCC files... Gads, I hate the thought, but I might just risk ONE MORE reformat, just to find out.................. COB __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 05:14 PM	#9
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For that matter, I wonder what happens if you run 7.6 Drivers and 7.1 CCC ??????????????????? __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 05:32 PM	#10
Subject Sparky Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 158 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Never liked CCC, installed new versions a couple of times to have a look, but always ends up uninstalling it ATI strongly recommends not to mix different versions of drivers/CCC. Compability issues... Occasional I forget to use ATI's "uninstall all"-software before installing new drivers. Always gives me very slow screen updating... pita. __________________

07-08-07, 05:38 PM	#11
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So..... you have run ONLY drivers, and not 'the tools' [CCC]...? __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 06:04 PM	#13
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Good.... Got 'em... Where do you Extract that 7Z file TO ??? __________________ In memory of WAHOO

07-08-07, 06:04 PM	#14
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I am running 7.5 and only use the classic desktop. I also only use the driver only - the "CCC" is buggy as all get out. Have not had a single issue as you describe - not so sure I would pin it on the vid driver necessarily. If you do decide to reformat - I suggest that once you get it set like you want it before the new driver install - do a ghost or similiar image so its easy to recover. Then install the driver - and nothing else - and reboot - see if the desktop has reverted. If so - reghost and then do an image compare and see what has changed. Its very odd for a device driver to change config files for the OS like that. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

07-08-07, 06:19 PM	#15
Chief of the Boat Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On the hill South of Port Angeles, Washington Posts: 136 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I probably confused the issue by refering to 'Drivers' when I actually meant both the DD_XP and the CCC_EN files.... which.... apparently are not BOTH necessary. I have heard of the Ghost routine, but am not familiar with it. I have DB&N + Recovery so many times it is 'easy'... just a little time consuming. I have a 500 GB external H/D that we both use for a 'disconnectable' back-up, but I feel sure of simply Biting the Bullet. I'm going to Go For It tomorrow... Kind of excited to find some Reason amongst the Chaos of last week ! __________________ In memory of WAHOO