Bug Report:Zombie Ships Confirmed....

CaptainHaplo · 06-17-07, 09:06 PM

I saw this issue posted awhile back, http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...t=zombie+ships

and decided I would try and recreate it. I have succeeded. Here is the setup I used. Nukeboats and 3km nuke torps as mods overlaying RFB1.28. Start date Dec 1, 1941 - patrol of marshall islands completed and PH just happened, so I set course for Tokyo bay Proper. Hey, I got the equipment to make a go of it, and I feel like revenge. In the first "port" - the southernmost one inside the bay, I find 2 Heavy Cruisers and a Hiryu Fleet Carrier. Sweet I think - so I fire off one aft torp, hit the Furatake, which the explosion radius takes out the Hiryu and the Maya as well as a couple of floatplanes. I get the credit in my log, and off I head north and repeat the process in about 4 other harbors. All in good fun....

However - when I am headed back out - danged if as I pass that southern port - there sits the EXACT same ships in the EXACT same spots! My map even shows the diamonds on the spots where it also shows the little red broken ships! I saved at that point - but have tried to sink the ships again - they go boom just like before - but I dont get credit for the "second sinking"....

Not sure WHY this occurs - but it need to be addressed as it could cause some serious frustration if someone takes on a convoy - retreats and then catches another shot at it a couple of days later - finding it at full strength and sinking the zombies on the next attack. Historically - attacks could last over a day or 2, and this "resurrection" of ships just needs to get killed. I can't think of any reasonable answer to WHY it happens - I have to think its an unintentional bug in the way the layers are being handled.

While I know alot of people are going to raise an eyebrow over the setup I ran in recreating this - I thought I had seen it myself a few other times and have been wanting to try and confirm this. It does happen. It looks like its based on 2 factors - distance and time. If you are far enough away from a ship, and a certain minimum time has elapsed - the vessel respawns. The key to testing this is to use Harbor'd ships - they don't move when they respawn.

One other note - it looks like if they respawn, but are left alone for a sufficient time, the game then realized that they were sunk and then removes them permanently. Just... bizarre.......

Don't know if this can be gotten on that list of "critical" bugs especially since 1.3 is well into work already - but maybe some folks in here can come up with some possible solutions?

SteamWake · 06-18-07, 10:18 AM

Have you browsed the "bug thread" for this ?

If its not in there you might want to add it.

06-18-07, 11:12 AM

them sneaky japanese engineers creating a zombie ship!
How can we win this war?

wetwarev7 · 06-18-07, 11:15 AM

Is this a bug in the game, or a bug in one of the mods?

CaptainHaplo · 06-18-07, 08:08 PM

Its not mod related as I also recreated this again this evening with only one mod loaded - my personal tambor nukeboat. That mod only affects the tambor sim and zon files so no way it could cause the behavior. This is in there stock. I have added it to the buglist stickied above.

MONOLITH · 06-18-07, 08:54 PM

Pardon the momentary off topic, but...

I think this is one of the most interesting/bizarre pics I've seen....

Is this a photoshop job? Is that a real tiger snarling underwater?

06-19-07, 11:47 AM

it's a real pic:

Taken at Six Flags, Vallejo, California. White tiger diving for scrap of meat, taken through thick glass.

Camera - Canon 350d
Focal Length - 73mm
Shutter speed - 1/400th second @ f5.6

wetwarev7 · 06-19-07, 01:40 PM

That would make one heck of a logo for my sub.

MONOLITH · 06-19-07, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Caesar

Taken at Six Flags, Vallejo, California. White tiger diving for scrap of meat, taken through thick glass.

Nice.

wetwarev7's right...that's a perfect conning tower emblem.

SteamWake · 06-20-07, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Caesar

it's a real pic:

Taken at Six Flags, Vallejo, California. White tiger diving for scrap of meat, taken through thick glass.

Camera - Canon 350d
Focal Length - 73mm
Shutter speed - 1/400th second @ f5.6

Strangely enough the piece of meat looks photoshopped (shrug).

This is a picture of the latest torpedo technology. As a successor to the cutie we present the growler

MaxT.dk · 06-20-07, 02:18 PM

Here's some more pics of that bengal tiger... By the way, his name is Odin

Have fun

GT182 · 06-20-07, 02:48 PM

Great photos Max. First one you put up looks like he's after the last piece of Roy.

bookworm_020 · 06-20-07, 09:09 PM

Back on topic,

This was a bug in Sh3, I sank some ships in a task force and they would reappear, large as life and willing to sink you at a moments notice. If you sink them again, you get no credit.

I think this is a hang over from SH3, due to SH4 using the same game engine.

DarkFolle · 06-30-07, 11:45 AM

A tiger with branchias????:rotfl:

Stew U-582 · 07-02-07, 05:28 AM

The thing ive noticed about the 'zombie ships' is they seem to appear when you sink a ship and leave the area before it goes completley under. when they get outside your contact renge the seem to repair themselves. the same goes for aircraft. ever noticed aircrsft that go by , you take a few pot shots and they are bleeding smoke. if they continue on their course and turn around when they come back they are like new again. it seems that contacts outside your area of detection dont remember damage.

well thats what I think ive observed.

stew

06-17-07, 09:06 PM	#1
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Bug Report:Zombie Ships Confirmed.... I saw this issue posted awhile back, http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...t=zombie+ships and decided I would try and recreate it. I have succeeded. Here is the setup I used. Nukeboats and 3km nuke torps as mods overlaying RFB1.28. Start date Dec 1, 1941 - patrol of marshall islands completed and PH just happened, so I set course for Tokyo bay Proper. Hey, I got the equipment to make a go of it, and I feel like revenge. In the first "port" - the southernmost one inside the bay, I find 2 Heavy Cruisers and a Hiryu Fleet Carrier. Sweet I think - so I fire off one aft torp, hit the Furatake, which the explosion radius takes out the Hiryu and the Maya as well as a couple of floatplanes. I get the credit in my log, and off I head north and repeat the process in about 4 other harbors. All in good fun.... However - when I am headed back out - danged if as I pass that southern port - there sits the EXACT same ships in the EXACT same spots! My map even shows the diamonds on the spots where it also shows the little red broken ships! I saved at that point - but have tried to sink the ships again - they go boom just like before - but I dont get credit for the "second sinking".... Not sure WHY this occurs - but it need to be addressed as it could cause some serious frustration if someone takes on a convoy - retreats and then catches another shot at it a couple of days later - finding it at full strength and sinking the zombies on the next attack. Historically - attacks could last over a day or 2, and this "resurrection" of ships just needs to get killed. I can't think of any reasonable answer to WHY it happens - I have to think its an unintentional bug in the way the layers are being handled. While I know alot of people are going to raise an eyebrow over the setup I ran in recreating this - I thought I had seen it myself a few other times and have been wanting to try and confirm this. It does happen. It looks like its based on 2 factors - distance and time. If you are far enough away from a ship, and a certain minimum time has elapsed - the vessel respawns. The key to testing this is to use Harbor'd ships - they don't move when they respawn. One other note - it looks like if they respawn, but are left alone for a sufficient time, the game then realized that they were sunk and then removes them permanently. Just... bizarre....... Don't know if this can be gotten on that list of "critical" bugs especially since 1.3 is well into work already - but maybe some folks in here can come up with some possible solutions? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

06-18-07, 11:15 AM	#4
wetwarev7 Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Deep Waters Posts: 871 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Is this a bug in the game, or a bug in one of the mods? __________________ Guess I should change my sig since SH5 has an offline mode now

06-18-07, 08:08 PM	#5
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Its not mod related as I also recreated this again this evening with only one mod loaded - my personal tambor nukeboat. That mod only affects the tambor sim and zon files so no way it could cause the behavior. This is in there stock. I have added it to the buglist stickied above. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

06-18-07, 08:54 PM	#6
MONOLITH Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 997 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Pardon the momentary off topic, but... I think this is one of the most interesting/bizarre pics I've seen.... Is this a photoshop job? Is that a real tiger snarling underwater? __________________

06-19-07, 01:40 PM	#8
wetwarev7 Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Deep Waters Posts: 871 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	That would make one heck of a logo for my sub. __________________ Guess I should change my sig since SH5 has an offline mode now

06-18-07, 10:18 AM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Have you browsed the "bug thread" for this ? If its not in there you might want to add it.

06-18-07, 11:12 AM	#3
Julius Caesar Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	them sneaky japanese engineers creating a zombie ship! How can we win this war?

06-19-07, 11:47 AM	#7
Julius Caesar Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	it's a real pic: Taken at Six Flags, Vallejo, California. White tiger diving for scrap of meat, taken through thick glass. Camera - Canon 350d Focal Length - 73mm Shutter speed - 1/400th second @ f5.6

06-20-07, 02:18 PM	#11
MaxT.dk Rough night at Langtrees brothel Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 480 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's some more pics of that bengal tiger... By the way, his name is Odin Have fun __________________ http://maxt.dk/archives/2007/03/22/s...nter-4-cheats/ Get KillerSub MOD and bring the Hell back to Earth! The FUN way to play SH4! Now with Rail Guns!

06-20-07, 02:48 PM	#12
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Great photos Max. First one you put up looks like he's after the last piece of Roy. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

06-20-07, 09:09 PM	#13
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Back on topic, This was a bug in Sh3, I sank some ships in a task force and they would reappear, large as life and willing to sink you at a moments notice. If you sink them again, you get no credit. I think this is a hang over from SH3, due to SH4 using the same game engine. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

06-30-07, 11:45 AM	#14
DarkFolle A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 79 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	A tiger with branchias????:rotfl:

07-02-07, 05:28 AM	#15
Stew U-582 Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 266 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	The thing ive noticed about the 'zombie ships' is they seem to appear when you sink a ship and leave the area before it goes completley under. when they get outside your contact renge the seem to repair themselves. the same goes for aircraft. ever noticed aircrsft that go by , you take a few pot shots and they are bleeding smoke. if they continue on their course and turn around when they come back they are like new again. it seems that contacts outside your area of detection dont remember damage. well thats what I think ive observed. stew __________________ Captain Stu from Down Under , Down Under