Something missing

pythos · 06-26-07, 11:10 PM

With SH3 there were too many single ship contacts, it was not very realistic except in the early war years.

In SH4 there are no single contacts really to speak of. Either there are sampans (usually two) in tandem convoy, and there are several merchants guarded by at least three escorts.

Problem with this is in the pacific campaign single unescorted ships became MORE common as the war progressed due to destroyers and other excort class ships being pressed to other business. There were of course convoys, but there were apearantly more single or double, unescorted cargo vessles, much more than represented in the game.

Perhaps a mod is needed.

GTHammer · 06-27-07, 03:17 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117226

This thread talks about convoy sizes and such and how realistic they are...as for the traffic...I believe Tater has a mod that cuts down on the amount but not sure what it does for composition. Here's the link to that thread...http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=116283

Hope this helps.

AVGWarhawk · 06-27-07, 05:38 AM

I find a lot of singletons cruising the oceans. My only deal is there are to many ships in the convoys.

switch.dota · 06-27-07, 07:27 AM

I usually find more lone ships than convoys...

mookiemookie · 06-27-07, 08:41 AM

I never had any problems finding lone ships. Found more of those and 2 ship convoys than anything else.

John Channing · 06-27-07, 08:45 AM

I find a nice mix of singles, small convoys and large convoys.

It all depends on your patrol area.

JCC

tater · 06-27-07, 09:04 AM

Actually, the % of ships in convoys should increase after the end of 43. The biggest convoys were oddly very early in the war, but they were invasion forces, but there were not all that many of them.

That convoy document is pretty interesting, but it's important to note that the japanese probably had 250-500 merchants at sea any given moment, and the convoys list shoys a small fraction of that number. Most sailed alone.

tater

SteamWake · 06-27-07, 09:18 AM

"Single contact... Merchant... Moving fast... Closing"

Moving fast ? I thought to myself. Curious ...a few quick calculations left 30 degree rudder make course 320 all ahead full !

The orders were rang up and executed after a small period of time we had closed the distance to the contact. We made a note that the contact appeared to be alone as we had not picked up addittional contacts Not quite what we expected.

Up scope.. a quick scan and there it was A lone 'huge euro liner'

with the japaneese flag

Long story short we sunk her.

This was late in the war June of 43 I belive.

tater · 06-27-07, 09:36 AM

How fast was she going? I made it so that lone liners were moving FAST.

I have it so TFs will sometimes be going in the mid 20s. Frustrating as hell.

SteamWake · 06-27-07, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

How fast was she going? I made it so that lone liners were moving FAST.

I have it so TFs will sometimes be going in the mid 20s. Frustrating as hell.

She was checking out ... around 14 knots or so.

wetwarev7 · 06-27-07, 09:57 AM

I find a pretty good mix of single merchants and convoys. I wonder if those that are not seeing a good mix are doing periodic sound checks? I do mine every 4 hours or so when in enemy/disputed waters.

SteamWake · 06-27-07, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetwarev7

I find a pretty good mix of single merchants and convoys. I wonder if those that are not seeing a good mix are doing periodic sound checks? I do mine every 4 hours or so when in enemy/disputed waters.

Most likely variable is time of year or in the war and geographical location.

pythos · 06-28-07, 06:42 AM

Actually after making that post I came across a lone Medium old split freighter, completely alone. This was in the South java (jawa? Oootini! When did my boat reach Tatooine?) sea, Mid 42.

Alky · 06-28-07, 10:13 AM

There doesn't appear to be any enemy subs in this game

It would be interesting to hunt other subs, ala "Hunt For Red October"

tater · 06-28-07, 10:24 AM

In RL, subs were sunk on the surface by other subs most of the time (all of the time?)

It was either a chance encounter, or because chatty IJN subs were sticklers for being at assigned lat/long locvations at very specific times and we read their codes. So ULTRAs would tell a US sub to be a a spot, and noon that day the jap sub would be there on the surface. BOOM.

There was virtually zero "hunting" like red october, you either saw them or you didn't. SOP for the watch seeing another periscope was to ring up flank, turn away, and pull the plug.

tater

06-26-07, 11:10 PM	#1
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Something missing With SH3 there were too many single ship contacts, it was not very realistic except in the early war years. In SH4 there are no single contacts really to speak of. Either there are sampans (usually two) in tandem convoy, and there are several merchants guarded by at least three escorts. Problem with this is in the pacific campaign single unescorted ships became MORE common as the war progressed due to destroyers and other excort class ships being pressed to other business. There were of course convoys, but there were apearantly more single or double, unescorted cargo vessles, much more than represented in the game. Perhaps a mod is needed.

06-27-07, 03:17 AM	#2
GTHammer Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 127 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117226 This thread talks about convoy sizes and such and how realistic they are...as for the traffic...I believe Tater has a mod that cuts down on the amount but not sure what it does for composition. Here's the link to that thread...http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=116283 Hope this helps. __________________ GT USS Hammer

06-27-07, 05:38 AM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,261 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I find a lot of singletons cruising the oceans. My only deal is there are to many ships in the convoys. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-27-07, 08:41 AM	#5
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I never had any problems finding lone ships. Found more of those and 2 ship convoys than anything else. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

06-27-07, 09:57 AM	#11
wetwarev7 Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Deep Waters Posts: 871 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I find a pretty good mix of single merchants and convoys. I wonder if those that are not seeing a good mix are doing periodic sound checks? I do mine every 4 hours or so when in enemy/disputed waters. __________________ Guess I should change my sig since SH5 has an offline mode now

06-27-07, 07:27 AM	#4
switch.dota Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 492 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I usually find more lone ships than convoys...

06-27-07, 08:45 AM	#6
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	I find a nice mix of singles, small convoys and large convoys. It all depends on your patrol area. JCC

06-27-07, 09:04 AM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Actually, the % of ships in convoys should increase after the end of 43. The biggest convoys were oddly very early in the war, but they were invasion forces, but there were not all that many of them. That convoy document is pretty interesting, but it's important to note that the japanese probably had 250-500 merchants at sea any given moment, and the convoys list shoys a small fraction of that number. Most sailed alone. tater

06-27-07, 09:18 AM	#8
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	"Single contact... Merchant... Moving fast... Closing" Moving fast ? I thought to myself. Curious ...a few quick calculations left 30 degree rudder make course 320 all ahead full ! The orders were rang up and executed after a small period of time we had closed the distance to the contact. We made a note that the contact appeared to be alone as we had not picked up addittional contacts Not quite what we expected. Up scope.. a quick scan and there it was A lone 'huge euro liner' with the japaneese flag Long story short we sunk her. This was late in the war June of 43 I belive.

06-27-07, 09:36 AM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	How fast was she going? I made it so that lone liners were moving FAST. I have it so TFs will sometimes be going in the mid 20s. Frustrating as hell.

06-28-07, 06:42 AM	#13
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Actually after making that post I came across a lone Medium old split freighter, completely alone. This was in the South java (jawa? Oootini! When did my boat reach Tatooine?) sea, Mid 42.

06-28-07, 10:13 AM	#14
Alky Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Abbotsford BC Canada Posts: 258 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	There doesn't appear to be any enemy subs in this game It would be interesting to hunt other subs, ala "Hunt For Red October" __________________

06-28-07, 10:24 AM	#15
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	In RL, subs were sunk on the surface by other subs most of the time (all of the time?) It was either a chance encounter, or because chatty IJN subs were sticklers for being at assigned lat/long locvations at very specific times and we read their codes. So ULTRAs would tell a US sub to be a a spot, and noon that day the jap sub would be there on the surface. BOOM. There was virtually zero "hunting" like red october, you either saw them or you didn't. SOP for the watch seeing another periscope was to ring up flank, turn away, and pull the plug. tater