In the long-term this is ruinous for Germany

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...489255,00.html

former communists and protesting extreme-lefts have forged a new party that not only poses serious threads to the established parties and the SPD, but could also cause by it's mere existance a general massive left-shift in policy-making, when parties in order to prevent loosing to many voters to "Die Linke" - will accept the need to act more leftist themselves. Some analysts say that not only one fourth of SPD voters, but one fourth of all voters in general could eventually make their cross in favour of "Die Linke". formed by former SED communists and the audience around extreme influential and aggressive demagogue Lafontaine, this birth of a party monster has the potential to really pick the parties in Germany apart.

that this will be most ruinous for the financial situation of the state, and reduce germany's attractiveness for educated families, middle and higher social classes, and most likely will increase brain drain and tax-refugees, while at the same time the numbers of badly or uneducated foreigners with little chances for qualified jobs and thus high demands on the social systems will go up, must not be explicitly mentioned.

This is a very, very bad day for Germany.

After the lacking substance of the G8 summit and the lack of binding obligations instead only non-binding proclamations of intentions, and after this party founding today: if eventually the EU-treaty with it's many from worse-to-worst passages will get any kind of acceptance in the next day' summit, than I would consider this month to be the politically most ruinous month for Germany I have ever witnessed in my life of 40 years.

And for German-able readers, on the many failings in the EU-treaty (since I already mentioned it anyway):
http://www.welt.de/politik/article95...tisch_ist.html

(It's a former German federal president, former judge at the highest german constitutional court, and chairman of the EU-basic rights convent commenting on this madness. Policymakers and the government in Germany avpoid him like the plague).

[Letum]

Tish!
Thats no disaster!

[elite_hunter_sh3]

say hello to the future 4th Reich.... i wonder who the fhurer is gonna be :hmm::hmm::hmm:

[Letum]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i wonder who the fhurer is gonna be:hmm:

The Soup Dragon

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Letum

Tish!
Thats no disaster!

For extreme lefts, it is not. For all others, it is. Lafontaine's only credo always has been: pay for it by taking it from the "rich", raise the taxes for the economy, and if somebody makes a private inheritance: let him bleed for undeservingly receiving the fruits of the labour of his parents once he had brought them under the earth. It's double taxation, but who cares. His policies are about envy from A to Y. So you see, there is some room for other things, too.

This man fulfills all negative cliches rightwingers have about "lefties". Unfortunately he is a very capable speaker, able to set the whole crowd aflame. And he is extremely powerhungry, a (short by size) Napoleon wanting to proove how great he is. He has been on the great stage years before, and by far is no unknown. All do fear him, and rightly so. He simply has what it takes to mobilize the masses. A demagogue par excellence. He also has a private vendetta with his former party, the SPD - and they with him.

[P_Funk]

Its times like this that I'm glad Canadian politics are boring.

[Camaero]

Isn't it yet clear that extreme leftists and extreme rightists are bad?

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by Camaero

Isn't it yet clear that extreme leftists and extreme rightists are bad?

Extreme anything is bad if it takes away the subtlty of compromise. Effective politics in Canada has always been about compromise. Left leaning minority governments have been the most effective historically. No absolutism, no hard radicalism. When certain factions have taken hard right approaches as with Mulroney in the 80s we've seen Canada decline. It took the Liberals a decade to pay off that debt and Mulroney dismantled alot of the progressive political work done through compromise.

Radicals in practice are indeed no good. Radical thought, rational process. Its like Augustine's City of God and City of Man. Aspire to one thing, live another but weigh your life based on your aspirations.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Camaero

Isn't it yet clear that extreme leftists and extreme rightists are bad?

Well, yes and no.
What seams extreme now may have been normal in the past and what was normal in the past may seam extreme now. Whats more; to the extremist the extreme seams normal, whilst the normal seams extreme.

The history of ideas and ideals is one of a battle of extremities that results in compromises only for these compromises to become extremities compared to the latest ideas.

That's not to say that the, now extreme, normals of the past where wrong, they where just the natural products of their time; as are the current normals.

To those that like the way things are changing; this is progression. To those that do not like the change; it is degeneration.

It is important to just dismiss what is generally seen as extreme or you personally see as extreme with out judging ideas and ideals in a informed and responsible way when you can.

[Lagger123987]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i wonder who the fhurer is gonna be :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Me! :rotfl:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

really...where u live... *pulls out gun... blows off dust.. puts 16x optical scope... loads up .408 AP rounds into the magazine, loads gun , waits for reply from lagger to see where he lives, has travel company on the phone on hold*

[August]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

really...where u live... *pulls out gun... blows off dust.. puts 16x optical scope... loads up .408 AP rounds into the magazine, loads gun , waits for reply from lagger to see where he lives, has travel company on the phone on hold*

Talk is cheap Sonny...

[Letum]

Originally Posted by August

Talk is cheap Sonny...

It would take a serious ammount of apathy not to try and kill the next Hitler if you knew for sure who it was and he was not ready for it. So I hope it isn't just talk!

[azn_132]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

really...where u live... *pulls out gun... blows off dust.. puts 16x optical scope... loads up .408 AP rounds into the magazine, loads gun , waits for reply from lagger to see where he lives, has travel company on the phone on hold*

Get a berett rifle instead.

[Yahoshua]

Of course smart asassins never declare their intended target before they strike, and the best asassination is one that nobody realized was an asassination to begin with.