Please contribute to Iran's military

[The Avon Lady]

It's easy!

Operators are standing by, waiting for your call. Giftwrapping at no extra charge.

[SUBMAN1]

Yawn. They can fly their outdated tanks. Those F-14's are even A models and presnt little threat to any properly equipped foe. If you were telling me they had F-22's, then you might get a bit of a shock reaction.

-S

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yawn. They can fly their outdated tanks. Those F-14's are even A models and presnt little threat to any properly equipped foe. If you were telling me they had F-22's, then you might get a bit of a shock reaction.

It's not just F14s. See the section about half way down titled: 2,669 'SENSITIVE MILITARY ITEMS'.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

It's not just F14s. See the section about half way down titled: 2,669 'SENSITIVE MILITARY ITEMS'.

Yeah, still no big deal. I even talked to the guys at the Museum of Flight (Boeing) and antennaes built in the 1950's and 1960's are considered 'sensitive items'. He had to smuggle one in to complete their YF-12. I won't tell you which one, but if you look at that YF-12, one of the antennaes on that display is still considered classified even though it was built 60 years ago! BS. THere is better civilian equipment developed 20 years ago!

The point is, this is why no one cares that they are selling 'sensitive' items. The reason they are still classified as 'sensitive' is that the military never removed them from the 'sensitive' list back when they should have 50 years ago!

-S

PS. Remember one thing - this is AMerica you are talking about here. In this land, if you really want an F-16, and you have the money, you can have one. Don't forget that. THink how much sensitive items are on an F-16 for example, yet you can buy one and fly one here!

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

PS. Remember one thing - this is AMerica you are talking about here. In this land, if you really want an F-16, and you have the money, you can have one. Don't forget that. THink how much sensitive items are on an F-16 for example, yet you can buy one and fly one here!

With cash-back and 0% financing, too?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

With cash-back and 0% financing, too?

Last I saw, it was $10 mill for the plane, half up front, and find your own financing! They had an F-18, and an F-111 for sale too.

-S

[Oberon]

Put me down for a squadron. Oh...and I'll have a few B1s, a OHP FFG, and a batallion of M1A2s.

Anyone up for a regime change in Britain? STEED? Skybird?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Put me down for a squadron. Oh...and I'll have a few B1s, a OHP FFG, and a batallion of M1A2s.

Anyone up for a regime change in Britain? STEED? Skybird?

You're going to need a helluva lot more equipment than that! The UK is no slouch when it comes to military hardware!

[Oberon]

Yeah, but most of it is in the Middle East, or a breakers yard.

[fatty]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You're going to need a helluva lot more equipment than that! The UK is no slouch when it comes to military hardware!

Yeah, and article 5 would bring the U.S. and the rest of NATO into it

[Chock]

Take My Breath Away might have been the theme song in Top Gun, but these days the F14A is unlikely to take anyone's breath away in a dogfight. And anyone going up against a modern fighter in an F-14A, really is going to be on a Highway to the Danger Zone.

The F-14 looks impressive in Top Gun, but what you don't see in that movie is that all that turning and burning they do (using the afterburners) uses fuel up so fast that the thing basically has to land minutes later, or the pilots would find themselves swimming home. And it would certainly have to use those 'burners a lot to stay in a turn with a modern fighter plane.

Modern fighter jets use far more efficient supercruise technology to enable them to maintain high speeds with much less use of the afterburner. This also means that they have a smaller heat signature, making them far less likely to find a Sidewinder missile flying up their tailpipe. So in most cases, a modern fighter could win a dogfight against an F-14A by simply turning inside it and waiting for it to fall out of the sky with an empty gas tank.

And it can't rely on engaging stuff at long-range either:

The AIM-54 Phoenix missile which the F-14 carries is impressive on paper (100-plus nautical mile range), but we are basically talking about technology from the Vietnam War era here. Right before the US pulled out of Vietnam, the F-14A was on some carriers off the Vietnam coast (it really has been in service that long). This is why it has been retired from US Navy service, and in its last few years it was even relegated to the role of a bomber rather than a fighter - and that's the more modern variants than Iran has too.

The very old technology of the AIM-54 missile can be quite easily spoofed and jammed by even a basically-equipped aircraft and the far more capable gate-stealing capabilities of modern fighter ECM suites would eat the F-14A's radar capabilities for breakfast. The truth is that the F14A would probably have a hard time shooting down a third-world country's training aircraft these days, let alone something like an F-16 or F-22.

The F14A was a prestige purchase for Iran in the 70s, but that's a long time ago in technology terms, unless you still think that a Spectrum ZX-81 computer would kick your Intel Core Duo's hyperthreading ass.

Chock

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by Chock

The F-14 looks impressive in Top Gun, but what you don't see in that movie is that all that turning and burning they do (using the afterburners) uses fuel up so fast that the thing basically has to land minutes later, or the pilots would find themselves swimming home.

You missed the point.

They made all kind of officer-level quota for several years. Even the guys who washed out of flight school were put to use. The Nav spent maybe $20m for marketing if you include fuel, maintenance, and security. Most of that money was spent doing training that they'd have been doing *anyway* -- traps, flight school excursions. Really, the only "extra" the Navy had to cover was security for all the film crew on base and the carrier. Maybe $50,000 if they just picked up a carrier training run (pilots learning to trap on their new plane type) out of Norfolk or something.


The F-14 is done.

[PeriscopeDepth]

The Iran-Iraq War suggests that the F-14 would certainly be a threat (it's AIM-54A as well) to the F-teen series. And Iranian pilots are very experienced. It certainly wouldn't be so easy against USAF/USN jets and crews, but the F-14A can't be written off as "not a threat" so easily.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_205.shtml
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_212.shtml
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_214.shtml

PD

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Chock

Take My Breath Away might have been the theme song in Top Gun, but these days the F14A is unlikely to take anyone's breath away in a dogfight. And anyone going up against a modern fighter in an F-14A, really is going to be on a Highway to the Danger Zone.

Gah! Those are the worst puns that I have ever read on this forum. Ever.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Chock

Take My Breath Away might have been the theme song in Top Gun, but these days the F14A is unlikely to take anyone's breath away in a dogfight. And anyone going up against a modern fighter in an F-14A, really is going to be on a Highway to the Danger Zone.

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