The CIA gets it Right!

Heibges · 05-25-07, 11:52 AM

Firstly, let me appoligize to the CIA for any disparaging comments I may have made ragarding them being a bunch of goody goody Mormons and relying too much on spy satelite technology.

Apparently, the called the situation in Iraq spot on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18854414/

Chock · 05-25-07, 12:07 PM

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Among other things, the 40-page Senate report reveals that two intelligence assessments before the war accurately predicted that toppling Saddam could lead to a dangerous period of internal violence and provide a boost to terrorists.

I don't think that you need the kind of budget the CIA gets, or need to be a rocket scientist to have been able to make that kind of 'prediction', one look at Germany after WW1, or France after WW2 could have told you that.

Writing a 40 page report on that is like spending a week coming up with a prediction that there will be a Tuesday next week...

'Intelligence Agency' my ass :rotfl:

Chock

Skybird · 05-25-07, 12:16 PM

I often said that politicians actively ignored input from the intel community, instead forced them to produce the kind of "info" they wanted and needed to bring the public behind the war (that was preplanned and outlined in a paper by wolfowitz in the early 90s, then was sunk into a drawer during the Clinton years). Due to this manipulation of intel data, or better: it'S replacement by propaganda, I often said that the administration was lying. Of course they made it appear afterwards as if they had been given bad data by the intel services, and that it all was the CIA's fault. The usual blame-game of politicians and high-ranking officials with stakes in the game.

ASWnut101 · 05-25-07, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chock

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Among other things, the 40-page Senate report reveals that two intelligence assessments before the war accurately predicted that toppling Saddam could lead to a dangerous period of internal violence and provide a boost to terrorists.

I don't think that you need the kind of budget the CIA gets, or need to be a rocket scientist to have been able to make that kind of 'prediction', one look at Germany after WW1, or France after WW2 could have told you that.

Writing a 40 page report on that is like spending a week coming up with a prediction that there will be a Tuesday next week...

'Intelligence Agency' my ass :rotfl:

Chock

Intelligence is never intelligent.

Tchocky · 05-27-07, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chock

Writing a 40 page report on that is like spending a week coming up with a prediction that there will be a Tuesday next week...

Dude, I'm going to need your sources on this.
And nothing from jihadwatch or Schlussel, y'hear?

Tchock

(this may get confusing)

The Avon Lady · 05-27-07, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

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Originally Posted by Chock

Writing a 40 page report on that is like spending a week coming up with a prediction that there will be a Tuesday next week...

Dude, I'm going to need your sources on this.
And nothing from jihadwatch or Schlussel, y'hear?

Why? :hmm:

Tough. Too bad.

From about 2.5 years ago: The Adventure in Iraq. There are several dozen I-Told-You-So's at JW.

TteFAboB · 05-25-07, 12:26 PM

Yup. It's Rumsfeld and his genius with the "lean and mean" thing that got it wrong. There is no lean and mean when it comes to occupating Iraq. It takes bleeding and only rich and fat can take prolonged bleeding.

Frau_Phillips · 05-25-07, 12:40 PM

I almost had a heart attack when I saw the topic XD

I wasnt aware that the CIA had anything good going for it, except "The Good Shepherd" which was a top-class movie.

geetrue · 05-25-07, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

Firstly, let me appoligize to the CIA for any disparaging comments I may have made ragarding them being a bunch of goody goody Mormons and relying too much on spy satelite technology.

The CIA is not made up of Mormons (LDS, Latter Day Saints) they recruit from all walks of life, college age to professor's, mililatary minded, to arm chair generals they represent American intelligence gathers and reporters and sometimes executioners, but they are not Mormons.

Christians do not accept the teachings of Mormons who have adopted a Christ like cult movement, but do not represent the main stream Christian values.

The FBI has been known to have a Mormom or two, but not the CIA.

Google a mormon and you will be shocked ...

Frau_Phillips · 05-25-07, 12:46 PM

Saved y'all the trouble.

Jimbuna · 05-25-07, 12:57 PM

Heibges · 05-25-07, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

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Originally Posted by Heibges

Firstly, let me appoligize to the CIA for any disparaging comments I may have made ragarding them being a bunch of goody goody Mormons and relying too much on spy satelite technology.

The CIA is not made up of Mormons (LDS, Latter Day Saints) they recruit from all walks of life, college age to professor's, mililatary minded, to arm chair generals they represent American intelligence gathers and reporters and sometimes executioners, but they are not Mormons.

Christians do not accept the teachings of Mormons who have adopted a Christ like cult movement, but do not represent the main stream Christian values.

The FBI has been known to have a Mormom or two, but not the CIA.

Google a mormon and you will be shocked ...

I'm sorry if I offended anyone it was sort of a joke. When I was a teenager back in the 80's, a Child of Reagan, and fascinated with the CIA, I remember reading that due to their sqeaky clean backgrounds, there were a lot of Mormons going into the CIA. If you even did acid once, for instance, you can't be in Military Intelligence or CIA.

Skybird · 05-25-07, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

(LDS, Latter Day Saints)

Isn't it called LSD? :p

05-25-07, 03:02 PM

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the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence will on Friday release selected portions of pre-war intelligence

'selected portions'

I wonder what a Democratically controlled Select Committee would have released?
More politics and less clarity.

Skybird · 05-26-07, 10:17 AM

Saturday's update:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/wa...kc4oeEuZu9HSww

05-25-07, 11:52 AM	#1
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05-25-07, 12:16 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I often said that politicians actively ignored input from the intel community, instead forced them to produce the kind of "info" they wanted and needed to bring the public behind the war (that was preplanned and outlined in a paper by wolfowitz in the early 90s, then was sunk into a drawer during the Clinton years). Due to this manipulation of intel data, or better: it'S replacement by propaganda, I often said that the administration was lying. Of course they made it appear afterwards as if they had been given bad data by the intel services, and that it all was the CIA's fault. The usual blame-game of politicians and high-ranking officials with stakes in the game. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-25-07, 12:26 PM	#7
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Yup. It's Rumsfeld and his genius with the "lean and mean" thing that got it wrong. There is no lean and mean when it comes to occupating Iraq. It takes bleeding and only rich and fat can take prolonged bleeding. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

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Frau_Phillips Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: The wrong side of the ocean Posts: 122 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I almost had a heart attack when I saw the topic XD I wasnt aware that the CIA had anything good going for it, except "The Good Shepherd" which was a top-class movie. __________________

05-25-07, 12:46 PM	#10
Frau_Phillips Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: The wrong side of the ocean Posts: 122 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Saved y'all the trouble. __________________

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-26-07, 10:17 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Saturday's update: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/wa...kc4oeEuZu9HSww __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.