The Maya and Takao cruisers

LukeFF · 05-21-07, 01:02 AM

Why are there two separate models for these ships? From what I've gathered, the Maya was not its own class, but rather it was part of the Takao Class of heavy cruisers. Can anyone shed some light on this?

rodan54 · 05-21-07, 01:20 AM

She was damaged during an air raid on Rabual in 1943, and was eventually repaired and put back into action, in addition to being given an increased AA battery. Hence the need for two different models.

elanaiba · 05-21-07, 03:15 AM

And of course it had a different silhouette because of the mods. Since it was easy to do both versions with just a little extra work, we did it.

As a player, I think its great when a game has sufficiently varied unit types modelled, showing both the main unit types but also the countless variations. This gives much more importance to the actual "target recognition" and makes one look through the scope in awe each time... instead of just "oh, heavy cruiser, I can spot it from a mile since its not a BB and not a CL".

AG124 · 05-21-07, 02:15 PM

@ elanaiba - Yes, SHIV does have an excellent selection of ships overall.

The merchants selection is (IMO) the best of any SubSim ever made (including AoD

), for example. However, I really was disappointed by the aircraft carrier selection for both the Japanese and the US - I guess the dev team ran out of time, but the US really needs the Yorktown and Essex classes, and the Japanese could have used the Akagi, Zuiho class, Junyo class, and maybe the Shinano. And if I were going to choose one carrier to represent the US carrier fleet, it wouldn't be the Wasp.

One thing though - if the dev team included two variants of the Takao class, then why didn't they include the original version of the Mogami class too? Lack of time I guess - can't blame them though, with the time it took to make all the highly detailed models that we did get.

BTW - I wonder what happened to the US Subchaser which is depicted in the list of ship pictures in the 100 page manual.:hmm: Also, if I were going to include improved SHIII models, I would have used the Small Tanker and Small Coastal Vessel models for the Allies, as they were highly detailed. Maybe the Armed Merchant Cruiser (as a transport, like Sergbuto's SHIII clone) and some more UK warships as well.

Major Johnson · 05-21-07, 02:59 PM

[quote=AG124, I really was disappointed by the aircraft carrier selection for both the Japanese and the US - I guess the dev team ran out of time, but the US really needs the Yorktown and Essex classes, and the Japanese could have used the Akagi, Zuiho class, Junyo class, and maybe the Shinano. And if I were going to choose one carrier to represent the US carrier fleet, it wouldn't be the Wasp.
quote]

I just started my first career patrol out of Pearl, and there were 3 carriers in the harbor, 2 were Saratoga class (you can't mistake that big ass smoke stack), not sure what the other was. I was too busy qualking at the first 2, which were side by side. I did however use the external camera to see if the ships had their names painted across the stern. They didn't. I did however notice a historical error. On the 3rd aircraft carrier, they had 2 types of planes. One was the Helldiver, which is unmistakable by it's huge upswing tail-rudder, and the other resembled the Brewster Buffalo?? This was Dec 9th 1941. The Helldiver didn't come out until later in the war, and I wasn't aware that the Buffalo's could be carrier based! They should have been Wildcats, or a close resemblance there of. I heard there were copyright issues with some of the WW2 planes and metals.

Wulfmann · 05-21-07, 03:15 PM

AG! The Wasp????? It was barely in the Pacific long enough to get sunk and was a one of a kind ship; a reduced in size to use what was left of the tonnage allowed after the 3 Enterprise ships.

Maya lost "C" turret in that raid and had AA built up in its place so was easy to mod, something a modeler might have been disappointed in not getting to do!

One reason they did not included the original Mogami is they were never in their original form when war broke out so their left service would have been 1939-40 so not sure why something never in the war would be desired.

I don't have SH4 yet. I am still waiting for you beta testers to get UBI to fix it before I buy it.

But, are you saying there are no Yorktown as in "E" and Hornet????? That would be the biggest lacking for important ships.

The Takao class is one of my favorite ships for any WWII navy. Just a very cool looker with speed and power.

Wulfmann

Seaman_Hornsby · 05-21-07, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

As a player, I think its great when a game has sufficiently varied unit types modelled...

Agreed. I'd say ship variety is one of SHIV's strong points too.

LukeFF · 05-21-07, 10:25 PM

Thanks all for the replies! Now that I look more closely at the silhouette images in the Recognition Manual, I can see the two differences between the two types.

You can always count on people here to have the answers for just about any question.

05-21-07, 01:02 AM	#1
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	The Maya and Takao cruisers Why are there two separate models for these ships? From what I've gathered, the Maya was not its own class, but rather it was part of the Takao Class of heavy cruisers. Can anyone shed some light on this?

05-21-07, 01:20 AM	#2
rodan54 Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: California, USA Posts: 176 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	She was damaged during an air raid on Rabual in 1943, and was eventually repaired and put back into action, in addition to being given an increased AA battery. Hence the need for two different models. Last edited by rodan54; 05-21-07 at 01:34 AM.

05-21-07, 02:15 PM	#4
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	SHIV Ship Variants @ elanaiba - Yes, SHIV does have an excellent selection of ships overall. The merchants selection is (IMO) the best of any SubSim ever made (including AoD ), for example. However, I really was disappointed by the aircraft carrier selection for both the Japanese and the US - I guess the dev team ran out of time, but the US really needs the Yorktown and Essex classes, and the Japanese could have used the Akagi, Zuiho class, Junyo class, and maybe the Shinano. And if I were going to choose one carrier to represent the US carrier fleet, it wouldn't be the Wasp. One thing though - if the dev team included two variants of the Takao class, then why didn't they include the original version of the Mogami class too? Lack of time I guess - can't blame them though, with the time it took to make all the highly detailed models that we did get. BTW - I wonder what happened to the US Subchaser which is depicted in the list of ship pictures in the 100 page manual.:hmm: Also, if I were going to include improved SHIII models, I would have used the Small Tanker and Small Coastal Vessel models for the Allies, as they were highly detailed. Maybe the Armed Merchant Cruiser (as a transport, like Sergbuto's SHIII clone) and some more UK warships as well. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

05-21-07, 02:59 PM	#5
Major Johnson Frogman Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jeresey Shore USA Posts: 288 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	[quote=AG124, I really was disappointed by the aircraft carrier selection for both the Japanese and the US - I guess the dev team ran out of time, but the US really needs the Yorktown and Essex classes, and the Japanese could have used the Akagi, Zuiho class, Junyo class, and maybe the Shinano. And if I were going to choose one carrier to represent the US carrier fleet, it wouldn't be the Wasp. quote] I just started my first career patrol out of Pearl, and there were 3 carriers in the harbor, 2 were Saratoga class (you can't mistake that big ass smoke stack), not sure what the other was. I was too busy qualking at the first 2, which were side by side. I did however use the external camera to see if the ships had their names painted across the stern. They didn't. I did however notice a historical error. On the 3rd aircraft carrier, they had 2 types of planes. One was the Helldiver, which is unmistakable by it's huge upswing tail-rudder, and the other resembled the Brewster Buffalo?? This was Dec 9th 1941. The Helldiver didn't come out until later in the war, and I wasn't aware that the Buffalo's could be carrier based! They should have been Wildcats, or a close resemblance there of. I heard there were copyright issues with some of the WW2 planes and metals. __________________ MJ! ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 AMD FX8350 8 Core 4.0 Ghz CPU GeForce GTX 560 Ti PCIx Video Card 8 GB Corsair Vengence RAM Rosewill 850W Power Supply Last edited by Major Johnson; 05-21-07 at 05:06 PM.

05-21-07, 03:15 PM	#6
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	AG! The Wasp????? It was barely in the Pacific long enough to get sunk and was a one of a kind ship; a reduced in size to use what was left of the tonnage allowed after the 3 Enterprise ships. Maya lost "C" turret in that raid and had AA built up in its place so was easy to mod, something a modeler might have been disappointed in not getting to do! One reason they did not included the original Mogami is they were never in their original form when war broke out so their left service would have been 1939-40 so not sure why something never in the war would be desired. I don't have SH4 yet. I am still waiting for you beta testers to get UBI to fix it before I buy it. But, are you saying there are no Yorktown as in "E" and Hornet????? That would be the biggest lacking for important ships. The Takao class is one of my favorite ships for any WWII navy. Just a very cool looker with speed and power. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

05-21-07, 03:15 AM	#3
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	And of course it had a different silhouette because of the mods. Since it was easy to do both versions with just a little extra work, we did it. As a player, I think its great when a game has sufficiently varied unit types modelled, showing both the main unit types but also the countless variations. This gives much more importance to the actual "target recognition" and makes one look through the scope in awe each time... instead of just "oh, heavy cruiser, I can spot it from a mile since its not a BB and not a CL".

05-21-07, 10:25 PM	#8
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Thanks all for the replies! Now that I look more closely at the silhouette images in the Recognition Manual, I can see the two differences between the two types. You can always count on people here to have the answers for just about any question.