What could be more European than Astérix?

The Avon Lady · 06-13-07, 05:04 AM

Its European rejection.

06-13-07, 05:33 AM

Thats just.......wrong

VipertheSniper · 06-13-07, 06:19 AM

WTF??

Couldn't say I've gotten xenophobic or violent from reading Asterix... that's PC gone mad... again

Skybird · 06-13-07, 06:50 AM

Attacking my friend Asterix means to attack me.

I am so very, very tired of these retared, brain-amputated professional fulltime idiots that are hijacking Europe for their primitive mind's stupid ideas of what life and politics and Europe is about. It reminds me of these totally foolish and ridiculous clowns you see in this old Stallone-movie, "Demolition Man". You know the professor who has turned society into a bunch of totall boring, baby-babbling soft-doin, well-meaning, healthy-eating fools who already are scared to death if sombody claps his hands. And sometimes I wish I could blow this crap to hell, like Stallone did.

Yesterday, there was a talkshow, the two last great and real statesmen Germany has had: Helmut Schmidt and Friedrich von Weizsäcker. With the sovereignity of their age and almost stellar reputation, they hijacked the program in unsaid agreement, talked what they wanted, answered questions they had asked themselves, and did not answer what the moderator asked if they did not wish to do so. In fact, it was simply too much for the moderator (usually a clever women) - she simply was buried completely, and sticked to the narrow horizon of her stupid infantile questions of personal this-and-thats, while the two old men covered the whole world from one side of the horizomn to the other, with just a handful of precise, mark-setting words and sentences. This is the kind of persons I would have agreed to serve with loyalty. Instead, i look around and see fools, narcissistic talkshow-stars and dishonest betrayers and mouth-heroes. It only makes me laugh in bitterness, and cry with shame.

The two just illustrated how much today's political omni-potent, dynamic, goal-oriented God-like super-wonder-mega-managers and career-politicians are nothing more than just simple-minded dwarfs, compared to this generation of experienced men and competent, ripe and educated characters. Such people we have not found successors for - dwarfs can only try to follow in their steps, and stumble. All we know is that we would desprately need men like this. But there is nobody there.

Who would have expected that 6 decades of peace could cause so much havoc in people's minds and reasonable thinking? Maybe there is truth in that the absence of threats and challenges means the end to an evolutionary design, since there is no more reason for ongoing changes, adaptions, and redesignings. the species (or in this context: the culture) simply gets overtaken by reality, is left behind sooner or later, and dies.

The Avon Lady · 06-13-07, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Maybe there is truth in that the absence of threats and challenges means the end to an evolutionary design, since there is no more reason for ongoing changes, adaptions, and redesignings. the species (or in this context: the culture) simply gets overtaken by reality, is left behind sooner or later, and dies.

No lack of threats and challenges over here on my shore of the Mediterranean yet everyone in government is a dodo and so, too, the masses that voted for them - and it's been so for decades!

Today is another tragic day in the life of the State of Israel: the Knesset has voted in Mister Loser himself, Shimon Peres, as the figurehead president of the country.

P_Funk · 06-13-07, 07:12 AM

I hear you Skybird. In my country it feels very much the same. While Canada has always politically been more baout voting against one party or another than voting in favour of one side, there have been many great political figures who distinguished themselves as true leaders. The last, and arguably the greatest in my opinion, was Pierre Trudeau. Such a true Canadian, he took to heart the meaning of sovereignty for Canada. He saw the dangers of American control of the Canadian market through mergers and buy out, he saw the fractures in culture and sewed them together for one brief time, and best of all he wrote our modern constitution which defines us finally as truly seperate from Britain. He even proved that he was capable of making the toughest decisions in the hardest of times. During the October Crisis he responded to the FLQ by calling war measures, unheard of in peace time. Many still disagree with that decision but however you view it it was bold and decisive and truly a sign of fearless leadership. The greatest and most memberable Trudea line is when a reporter asked him how far he'd go to combat the threat of the FLQ. His answer: "Just watch me". I get a wry smile everytime I watch that clip.

But immediately after his retirement in the 80s we see Brian Mulroney. What a traitor to Canada. From there it was downhill. Since then the only character we've had is Chretien and while he was a brilliant minister of indian affairs he was a gobsh1te prime minister in the end. Now Canada has no leaders and its lost at the moment in a struggle for direction. Its sad to see all the great things Trudeau built for Canada and how in one term Mulroney tore half of them down.

Trudeau was an intellectual, and he was a lawyer. He had real ideas and not just an agenda to rule for his own interests.

I've found that famous interview. Its a good 6 minutes. Notice how the reporters are able to get unscripted answers from Trudeau in a real dialogue as opposed to a staged question-answer. If you don't want to watch the whole thing just skip to 5:45 and you'll hear the great line.

The Avon Lady · 06-25-07, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

Trudeau was an intellectual, and he was a lawyer. He had real ideas and not just an agenda to rule for his own interests.

That was intellectualism? That was a few moments of common sense, which anyone would hope and pray that their country's leader would have during such a crisis.

Maybe there's a dumbing down today of calling common sense intellectualism, since so many leading politicians today all over don't have any and we tend to get all excited when one of them says something right, for a change.

Since we're singing the praises of Trudeau, a little refresher of what Trudeau stood for:

Trudeau and His Communist Friends.

Good riddance!

P_Funk · 06-25-07, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

That was intellectualism? That was a few moments of common sense, which anyone would hope and pray that their country's leader would have during such a crisis.

Maybe there's a dumbing down today of calling common sense intellectualism, since so many leading politicians today all over don't have any and we tend to get all excited when one of them says something right, for a change.

I see you like to dig things up for your bonfires.

And all the complaining people around here do about how bad their leaders are you want to minimize a man's finest hour in office?

What do you want? Are the only leaders we can praise the ones that you personally approve and who agree with your politics? Even if they did the right thing anyway? You want to slander the man for his personal views but you don't even touch his accomplishments. What he stands for is not some little clip of him and Castro or his backroom of pinko-commie buddies. He stands for the nation of Canada above all else. His memory is a strong one in Canada and you have the audacity to find satisfaction in his death. You are twisted.

You really are becoming a troller AL.

bookworm_020 · 06-25-07, 05:59 PM

This is nuts!

Astérix is still good!

The Avon Lady · 06-26-07, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

What do you want? Are the only leaders we can praise the ones that you personally approve and who agree with your politics? Even if they did the right thing anyway? You want to slander the man for his personal views but you don't even touch his accomplishments. What he stands for is not some little clip of him and Castro or his backroom of pinko-commie buddies. He stands for the nation of Canada above all else. His memory is a strong one in Canada and you have the audacity to find satisfaction in his death. You are twisted.

"His personal views", as you called them, were expressed while Trudeau was in office and as the top representative of the Canadian government. Discussed on another thread anyway.

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You really are becoming a troller AL.

Then put me on your "ignore list". If you think you can post what you want and that others cannot question the impeccability of your tastes as you post them, maybe it is you who should find another sandbox to play in.

P_Funk · 06-26-07, 02:09 AM

I shouldn't need to tolorate obvious attempts to rattle me just because you enjoy throwing your perceived superiority around. You could have made the same point without being so pithy and rude. However you chose to colour your thoughts with an obvious attempt to offend me and that, no matter your point, is just sad. I might find much of the history of the US or Israel to disagree with my politics but I'm not going to attempt to offend you in making crude remarks about someone like David Ben-Gurion or Ronald Reagan.

No you saw me expressing my personal respect for a leader of my nation and you decided to take a shot at me. It was obviously not in good humour and you know it. Whatever friendships he might have made as the leader of Canada he never flinched in the face of the common good and he didn't apologise for it. But thats all forgotten in your unilateral hate for anything left.

CCIP · 06-26-07, 02:19 AM

I should also say that's a really badly-written article about Trudeau.

Way to derail another thread

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Though I agree with the general sentiment on Asterix. I mean come on! I will never understand the apparent self-loathing that seems to permeate a lot of the un-intellectual white middle-class left. And the general tendency of many elements across the political spectrum to confuse entertainment/art and reality frankly disturbs me. This is no better than the puritanical elements from the other side of the political spectrum sniping at video games and movies.

P_Funk · 06-26-07, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

This is no better than the puritanical elements from the other side of the political spectrum sniping at video games and movies.

Exactly. Its funny because its so discriminatory. Creativity need not mimic the perfect perception of reality that is accepted by the mainstream.

The Avon Lady · 06-26-07, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

I shouldn't need to tolorate obvious attempts to rattle me just because you enjoy throwing your perceived superiority around.

Shoe.

Other.

Foot.

P_Funk · 06-26-07, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Quote:

Originally Posted by P_Funk

I shouldn't need to tolorate obvious attempts to rattle me just because you enjoy throwing your perceived superiority around.

Shoe.

Other.

Foot.

That still leaves the bulk of the reply unanswered.

06-13-07, 05:04 AM	#1
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What could be more European than Astérix? Its European rejection. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

06-13-07, 06:50 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Attacking my friend Asterix means to attack me. I am so very, very tired of these retared, brain-amputated professional fulltime idiots that are hijacking Europe for their primitive mind's stupid ideas of what life and politics and Europe is about. It reminds me of these totally foolish and ridiculous clowns you see in this old Stallone-movie, "Demolition Man". You know the professor who has turned society into a bunch of totall boring, baby-babbling soft-doin, well-meaning, healthy-eating fools who already are scared to death if sombody claps his hands. And sometimes I wish I could blow this crap to hell, like Stallone did. Yesterday, there was a talkshow, the two last great and real statesmen Germany has had: Helmut Schmidt and Friedrich von Weizsäcker. With the sovereignity of their age and almost stellar reputation, they hijacked the program in unsaid agreement, talked what they wanted, answered questions they had asked themselves, and did not answer what the moderator asked if they did not wish to do so. In fact, it was simply too much for the moderator (usually a clever women) - she simply was buried completely, and sticked to the narrow horizon of her stupid infantile questions of personal this-and-thats, while the two old men covered the whole world from one side of the horizomn to the other, with just a handful of precise, mark-setting words and sentences. This is the kind of persons I would have agreed to serve with loyalty. Instead, i look around and see fools, narcissistic talkshow-stars and dishonest betrayers and mouth-heroes. It only makes me laugh in bitterness, and cry with shame. The two just illustrated how much today's political omni-potent, dynamic, goal-oriented God-like super-wonder-mega-managers and career-politicians are nothing more than just simple-minded dwarfs, compared to this generation of experienced men and competent, ripe and educated characters. Such people we have not found successors for - dwarfs can only try to follow in their steps, and stumble. All we know is that we would desprately need men like this. But there is nobody there. Who would have expected that 6 decades of peace could cause so much havoc in people's minds and reasonable thinking? Maybe there is truth in that the absence of threats and challenges means the end to an evolutionary design, since there is no more reason for ongoing changes, adaptions, and redesignings. the species (or in this context: the culture) simply gets overtaken by reality, is left behind sooner or later, and dies. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-13-07 at 07:23 AM.

06-13-07, 07:12 AM	#6
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I hear you Skybird. In my country it feels very much the same. While Canada has always politically been more baout voting against one party or another than voting in favour of one side, there have been many great political figures who distinguished themselves as true leaders. The last, and arguably the greatest in my opinion, was Pierre Trudeau. Such a true Canadian, he took to heart the meaning of sovereignty for Canada. He saw the dangers of American control of the Canadian market through mergers and buy out, he saw the fractures in culture and sewed them together for one brief time, and best of all he wrote our modern constitution which defines us finally as truly seperate from Britain. He even proved that he was capable of making the toughest decisions in the hardest of times. During the October Crisis he responded to the FLQ by calling war measures, unheard of in peace time. Many still disagree with that decision but however you view it it was bold and decisive and truly a sign of fearless leadership. The greatest and most memberable Trudea line is when a reporter asked him how far he'd go to combat the threat of the FLQ. His answer: "Just watch me". I get a wry smile everytime I watch that clip. But immediately after his retirement in the 80s we see Brian Mulroney. What a traitor to Canada. From there it was downhill. Since then the only character we've had is Chretien and while he was a brilliant minister of indian affairs he was a gobsh1te prime minister in the end. Now Canada has no leaders and its lost at the moment in a struggle for direction. Its sad to see all the great things Trudeau built for Canada and how in one term Mulroney tore half of them down. Trudeau was an intellectual, and he was a lawyer. He had real ideas and not just an agenda to rule for his own interests. I've found that famous interview. Its a good 6 minutes. Notice how the reporters are able to get unscripted answers from Trudeau in a real dialogue as opposed to a staged question-answer. If you don't want to watch the whole thing just skip to 5:45 and you'll hear the great line. __________________

06-25-07, 05:59 PM	#9
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This is nuts! Astérix is still good! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

06-26-07, 02:09 AM	#11
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I shouldn't need to tolorate obvious attempts to rattle me just because you enjoy throwing your perceived superiority around. You could have made the same point without being so pithy and rude. However you chose to colour your thoughts with an obvious attempt to offend me and that, no matter your point, is just sad. I might find much of the history of the US or Israel to disagree with my politics but I'm not going to attempt to offend you in making crude remarks about someone like David Ben-Gurion or Ronald Reagan. No you saw me expressing my personal respect for a leader of my nation and you decided to take a shot at me. It was obviously not in good humour and you know it. Whatever friendships he might have made as the leader of Canada he never flinched in the face of the common good and he didn't apologise for it. But thats all forgotten in your unilateral hate for anything left. __________________

06-13-07, 05:33 AM	#2
darius359au Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Thats just.......wrong

06-13-07, 06:19 AM	#3
VipertheSniper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austria Posts: 1,070 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	WTF?? Couldn't say I've gotten xenophobic or violent from reading Asterix... that's PC gone mad... again

06-26-07, 02:19 AM	#12
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I should also say that's a really badly-written article about Trudeau. Way to derail another thread * Though I agree with the general sentiment on Asterix. I mean come on! I will never understand the apparent self-loathing that seems to permeate a lot of the un-intellectual white middle-class left. And the general tendency of many elements across the political spectrum to confuse entertainment/art and reality frankly disturbs me. This is no better than the puritanical elements from the other side of the political spectrum sniping at video games and movies. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet** (aka Captain Beefheart)