Are these in-game modelled malfunctions??

ddiplock · 05-06-07, 12:01 PM

I play GWX with SH3 commander set to model both malfunctions & sabotage.

On some patrols i've noticed when i try to put my engines to flank, they die to a stop, and I can only go at ahead full....this handicaps my surface...and submerged speeds a fair bit.

I ask this, because yesterday when I raised the attack scope on my sub...it was as if the optical mirros in the scope were *&cked!!!! Everything was VERY blurry and I couldn't see a thing....I was thus forced to use the opservation scope for submerged attacks instead.

Thoughts anyone?

Kataki · 05-06-07, 12:20 PM

Id probably just set it to malfunctions because how likely is sabotage?

TheBrauerHour · 05-06-07, 01:19 PM

Actually very likely. I read Iron Coffins and if I recall, their U-boat was the victim of Sabatoge frequently.

Henri II · 05-06-07, 01:32 PM

Sabottage war apparently rather frequent later in the war, on the boats that were operating from french harbours that were staffed with french workers. I doubt there was much sabottage in german harbours.

XXi · 05-06-07, 01:51 PM

In German bases it was not so often for obvious reasons. In French and Norwegian bases, however, it was much more common as the Boats were serviced by many non-German workers and sabotage actions were made.
Besides, the shipyards where U Boats were assembled relied from 1943 onwards on slave workers, with Poles and Russians among them. So in some cases, the Boats were already made with some malfunctions. In case of original German staff please keep in mind that some staff workers had to be replaced with new, green ones so there were few reasons why technical problems were quite common not only with new XXI Boats.

BTW - I remember a friend of my late Grandfather. He was a worker at a Panzer repair station near Warsaw. He said he was taught ( just like most of his working team ) how to stick pieces of armor together so that they looked tight and OK, but were in fact very loosely. There were more such actions ongoing, I guess.

Jimbuna · 05-06-07, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ddiplock

I play GWX with SH3 commander set to model both malfunctions & sabotage.

On some patrols i've noticed when i try to put my engines to flank, they die to a stop, and I can only go at ahead full....this handicaps my surface...and submerged speeds a fair bit.

I ask this, because yesterday when I raised the attack scope on my sub...it was as if the optical mirros in the scope were *&cked!!!! Everything was VERY blurry and I couldn't see a thing....I was thus forced to use the opservation scope for submerged attacks instead.

Thoughts anyone?

The above is definitely modelled into the game

most German Flotillas sailed out of occupied territory later in the war and the obvious consequence was native and migrant/forced labour workers committing acts of sabotage at every opportunity

GoldenRivet · 05-06-07, 02:10 PM

Sabotage ran a muck in the french bases.

in the book "Steel boat iron hearts" the story of U-505, severeal occurances of sabotage are recounted.

i will site examples.

Upper deck plates granting access to external stores... welded shut.

all of the diving tank seals and shaft seals, battery cells etc were replaced with old corroded parts scheduled for replacement, other parts that were nowhere near the batteries were found to have been soaked in battery acid.

large amounts of sugar found in the lubrication oil sumps

one boat found a dead dog floating in the fresh drinking water tank

other boats were found to have magnetic time bombs attached to their hulls

U-505 had an entire weld seam replaced with an "Oil soaked rope", placed in the small gap between pressure plates so that it would look like a weld... the crew found this out when they were doing a depth test after other sabotage repairs... they were going deep and heard very loud unusual popping and creaking sounds much louder than normal. lucky they didnt crush.

a small pencil sized hole drilled in oil in fuel tanks which would let small traces of fuel and oil leak out over time was found on several occasions.

those are just a hand full of examples from the book about U-505.

Kataki · 05-06-07, 02:24 PM

I retract my statement

I still wont bother with sabotage until later in the war.

Jimbuna · 05-06-07, 02:27 PM

Very interesting GR

I'll have to look that book up

JScones · 05-07-07, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddiplock

I play GWX with SH3 commander set to model both malfunctions & sabotage.

On some patrols i've noticed when i try to put my engines to flank, they die to a stop, and I can only go at ahead full....this handicaps my surface...and submerged speeds a fair bit.

I ask this, because yesterday when I raised the attack scope on my sub...it was as if the optical mirros in the scope were *&cked!!!! Everything was VERY blurry and I couldn't see a thing....I was thus forced to use the opservation scope for submerged attacks instead.

Thoughts anyone?

Yes. The malfunctions/sabotage option makes test dives and other "out of port" checks more than just a formality.

If you enable this option, it is prudent to do as "the real captains" did and perform a series of tests just out of port, rather than learn of a major malfunction in the heat of battle.

GR's post reminded me of something I posted many moons ago... http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...6&postcount=18

05-06-07, 12:01 PM	#1
ddiplock Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 552 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Are these in-game modelled malfunctions?? I play GWX with SH3 commander set to model both malfunctions & sabotage. On some patrols i've noticed when i try to put my engines to flank, they die to a stop, and I can only go at ahead full....this handicaps my surface...and submerged speeds a fair bit. I ask this, because yesterday when I raised the attack scope on my sub...it was as if the optical mirros in the scope were *&cked!!!! Everything was VERY blurry and I couldn't see a thing....I was thus forced to use the opservation scope for submerged attacks instead. Thoughts anyone?

05-06-07, 12:20 PM	#2
Kataki Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 119 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Id probably just set it to malfunctions because how likely is sabotage? __________________

05-06-07, 01:51 PM	#5
XXi Ensign Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Warsaw, Poland / Nagoya, Japan Posts: 227 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	In German bases it was not so often for obvious reasons. In French and Norwegian bases, however, it was much more common as the Boats were serviced by many non-German workers and sabotage actions were made. Besides, the shipyards where U Boats were assembled relied from 1943 onwards on slave workers, with Poles and Russians among them. So in some cases, the Boats were already made with some malfunctions. In case of original German staff please keep in mind that some staff workers had to be replaced with new, green ones so there were few reasons why technical problems were quite common not only with new XXI Boats. BTW - I remember a friend of my late Grandfather. He was a worker at a Panzer repair station near Warsaw. He said he was taught ( just like most of his working team ) how to stick pieces of armor together so that they looked tight and OK, but were in fact very loosely. There were more such actions ongoing, I guess. __________________ lasciate ogni speranza... voi, chi entrate

05-06-07, 02:10 PM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Sabotage ran a muck in the french bases. in the book "Steel boat iron hearts" the story of U-505, severeal occurances of sabotage are recounted. i will site examples. Upper deck plates granting access to external stores... welded shut. all of the diving tank seals and shaft seals, battery cells etc were replaced with old corroded parts scheduled for replacement, other parts that were nowhere near the batteries were found to have been soaked in battery acid. large amounts of sugar found in the lubrication oil sumps one boat found a dead dog floating in the fresh drinking water tank other boats were found to have magnetic time bombs attached to their hulls U-505 had an entire weld seam replaced with an "Oil soaked rope", placed in the small gap between pressure plates so that it would look like a weld... the crew found this out when they were doing a depth test after other sabotage repairs... they were going deep and heard very loud unusual popping and creaking sounds much louder than normal. lucky they didnt crush. a small pencil sized hole drilled in oil in fuel tanks which would let small traces of fuel and oil leak out over time was found on several occasions. those are just a hand full of examples from the book about U-505. __________________

05-06-07, 02:24 PM	#8
Kataki Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 119 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I retract my statement I still wont bother with sabotage until later in the war. __________________

05-06-07, 01:19 PM	#3
TheBrauerHour Mr. Eastwood Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 364 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Actually very likely. I read Iron Coffins and if I recall, their U-boat was the victim of Sabatoge frequently.

05-06-07, 01:32 PM	#4
Henri II Sparky Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 156 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Sabottage war apparently rather frequent later in the war, on the boats that were operating from french harbours that were staffed with french workers. I doubt there was much sabottage in german harbours.

05-06-07, 02:27 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Very interesting GR I'll have to look that book up __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!