Attack vs Observation Periscope

BigJonsson · 04-20-07, 02:45 PM

Whats the difference between the two?
They both seem exactly the same to me

AVGWarhawk · 04-20-07, 02:48 PM

The ob scope is supposed to be a wider view angle and go higher than the attack scope. So I'm told.

Sailor Steve · 04-20-07, 04:37 PM

Also the Attack Scope should have higher magnifications. At least the German ones did, and it works that way in SH3.

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-07, 04:55 PM

Hmm. THe attack scope goes higher than the OB one for me.

MikeJW · 04-20-07, 05:20 PM

Not sure in game, but IRL the observation scope had a larger head allowing for better low light use, a wider FOV and the head could be tilted up more to search for AC.

perisher · 04-20-07, 05:24 PM

It real life the ob scope gives wider angle, greater elevation, greater magnification and binocular vision. Post war, and in some U-boats during the war, it was motorised. The draw back is the top end is big and therefore more easily spotted than the smaller head of the less capable attack scope.

The observation scope was sometimes called the search scope, because it was used to find targets. Once a target was located the skipper would shift to the attack scope.

dac762 · 04-20-07, 05:54 PM

Also, the Observation Scope was only available in the Control Room, and the Attack Scope was only available in the Conning Tower, on Gato subs at least.

Nightmare · 04-20-07, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dac762

Also, the Observation Scope was only available in the Control Room, and the Attack Scope was only available in the Conning Tower, on Gato subs at least.

I'm pretty sure that both scopes were located in the conning tower on the Gato class subs. There was a video tour of the USS Drum posted on here awhile back and I clearly remember both scopes up there.

When I toured the USS Pampanito 4 years ago, both scopes were up there as well. To my knowledge there isn't really a lot of difference between the Balao's and Gato's with the exception the Balao's had a thicker hull and cosmetic differences of the bridge.

perisher · 04-20-07, 06:51 PM

Both scopes are in the conning tower of the Lionfish. In British subs both scopes were in the control room. In U-boats they were split between tower and control room.

04-20-07, 09:17 PM

I read somewhere that the attack periscope was "less observable" to the enemy. Smaller profile and all that.

The observation periscope head is larger but has a larger field of view, at least in theory.

Quillan · 04-21-07, 10:00 AM

In game, the attack scope has higher magnification (6x instead of 4x, I believe). The observation scope can be tilted to look almost straight up, while the attack scope can't be tilted past about 30 degrees elevation. I think the attack scope is harder to spot, but that's hard to confirm.

Werewolf13 · 04-21-07, 10:14 AM

It would be nice if SH4 simulated that the Observation scope had a way better light gathering capability than the Attack Scope.

Should actually be fairly easy to implement. I don't believe it is now because switching back and forth between the two using O and F4 reveals no difference.

And light gathering matters: Try using a cheap rifle scope at dawn or dusk and then look thru a quality Leupold or Swarovski for example - it's like night and day. Hell you can tell the difference just comparing a $50 pair of Bushnell Binocs vs a $150 - $200 pair of Nikon Binocs.

WernerSobe · 04-21-07, 10:32 AM

to answer your question.

You can see more with observation scope but it is easier to be detected due to larger head.

Use the observation scope to look out for ships and planes before you surface. Use the attack scope during a torpedo attack.

BigJonsson · 04-21-07, 02:45 PM

Makes sense

04-20-07, 02:45 PM	#1
BigJonsson Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Attack vs Observation Periscope Whats the difference between the two? They both seem exactly the same to me

04-20-07, 02:48 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The ob scope is supposed to be a wider view angle and go higher than the attack scope. So I'm told. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-20-07, 04:37 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Also the Attack Scope should have higher magnifications. At least the German ones did, and it works that way in SH3. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-20-07, 04:55 PM	#4
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hmm. THe attack scope goes higher than the OB one for me. __________________

04-20-07, 05:24 PM	#6
perisher Frogman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 300 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	It real life the ob scope gives wider angle, greater elevation, greater magnification and binocular vision. Post war, and in some U-boats during the war, it was motorised. The draw back is the top end is big and therefore more easily spotted than the smaller head of the less capable attack scope. The observation scope was sometimes called the search scope, because it was used to find targets. Once a target was located the skipper would shift to the attack scope. __________________ "Pitt was the greatest fool who ever lived to encourage a mode of war which they who commanded the seas did not want, and which, if successful, would deprive them of it." Earl St.Vincent (allegedly)

04-20-07, 05:20 PM	#5
MikeJW Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 106 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not sure in game, but IRL the observation scope had a larger head allowing for better low light use, a wider FOV and the head could be tilted up more to search for AC.

04-20-07, 05:54 PM	#7
dac762 Nub Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2 Downloads: 209 Uploads: 0	Also, the Observation Scope was only available in the Control Room, and the Attack Scope was only available in the Conning Tower, on Gato subs at least.

04-20-07, 06:51 PM	#9
perisher Frogman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 300 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Both scopes are in the conning tower of the Lionfish. In British subs both scopes were in the control room. In U-boats they were split between tower and control room. __________________ "Pitt was the greatest fool who ever lived to encourage a mode of war which they who commanded the seas did not want, and which, if successful, would deprive them of it." Earl St.Vincent (allegedly)

04-20-07, 09:17 PM	#10
Grunt Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I read somewhere that the attack periscope was "less observable" to the enemy. Smaller profile and all that. The observation periscope head is larger but has a larger field of view, at least in theory.

04-21-07, 10:00 AM	#11
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	In game, the attack scope has higher magnification (6x instead of 4x, I believe). The observation scope can be tilted to look almost straight up, while the attack scope can't be tilted past about 30 degrees elevation. I think the attack scope is harder to spot, but that's hard to confirm. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

04-21-07, 10:14 AM	#12
Werewolf13 Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The HEART of Fly Over Country Posts: 120 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	It would be nice if SH4 simulated that the Observation scope had a way better light gathering capability than the Attack Scope. Should actually be fairly easy to implement. I don't believe it is now because switching back and forth between the two using O and F4 reveals no difference. And light gathering matters: Try using a cheap rifle scope at dawn or dusk and then look thru a quality Leupold or Swarovski for example - it's like night and day. Hell you can tell the difference just comparing a $50 pair of Bushnell Binocs vs a $150 - $200 pair of Nikon Binocs. __________________ Peace is good... Freedom is BETTER!

04-21-07, 10:32 AM	#13
WernerSobe Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 625 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	to answer your question. You can see more with observation scope but it is easier to be detected due to larger head. Use the observation scope to look out for ships and planes before you surface. Use the attack scope during a torpedo attack.

04-21-07, 02:45 PM	#14
BigJonsson Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Makes sense