British drop Holocaust lessons from history class to avoid offending Muslims.

[TteFAboB]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&ito=newsnow

Teachers are voluntarily (unless it's an order from above) dropping classes about the Holocaust because they fear upsetting the Muslim pupils. Crusades are also being forgotten because apparently there's risk of contradicting what may have been preached at the nearest Mosque.

Fantastic. This is exactly the society that awaits us. Discussion? We won't ever reach that point! What discussion? We're in the consensus world. We're all in agreement. Always been, always will be. When we find a contradiction or opposition, we simply cut on one end or the other et voila, pretend that the problem never existed. As long as we fool ourselves and continue to believe in this lie with all our strength it's all good.

This is a great new history methodology: don't make minority alien students adapt to your history, adapt your history to suit their demands instead. Should work really well for math.

Now I don't blame the teachers as long as they're acting on their own. I'd be afraid of getting London on fire aswell. Without the backing of the higher ups and the assurance of my safety, I wouldn't teach factual history either. I'd demand at least one full-time Bobby body-guard. Of course, this isn't recyprocal. We don't have the opposite happening in the Muslim world. Maybe we're learning how to teach the Holocaust from them.

I'm neither with the holocophobes or the teachers though untill I can confirm that the history books you Brits use aren't another page of Bizzaro world themselves.

EDIT: Apparently the title is misleading. Sheesh, glad we don't read a book by its cover! Trying a new title.

EDIT2 : Nevermind, I can't edit the title.

[AG124]

Do muslims hate Jews so much that they don't even want to hear about how they suffered through one of the worst periods in human history? It's not as if they were responsible, although I'm sure there are some (Ahmadinejad maybe?) who would like to see the Holocaust repeated.

I read a story on CBC's website earlier this year; apparently, muslims in Ontario are outraged that teachers are informing Canadian students that there are militants in the Middle East and that muslim terrorists were responsible for 9/11. Such lies. Don't worry though - I'm sure some school board in the area has come up with a PC solution that will make 'everyone' happy.

[baggygreen]

There's a lot of things that have been done by every civilisation which members regret.

Whats next - the Egyptians complaining because it reflects badly on them that the pyramids were built by forced labour? The chinese complaining about people propagating the 'claim' that they invented gunpowder, cos it led to guns??

It happened. Altering 'history' is daft. when all the evidence points to one conclusion, even if there are proven facts surrounding it, it is beyond stupidity to try and pander to a vocal, narrow-minded minority who complain about anything and everything.

frankly, if a few select people are going to complain about stuff like that, i suggest forcing them on a tour of some of those nastier places through poland and germany..

[Tchocky]

Gah, this is backwards. Talk about holding up the species.
I was taught some dodgy history, but once I challenged our textbook, the teacher agreed with me and we got a couple of good classes out of it. It wasnt malicious, just some over-simplifications and the like. Nothing like this BS

[SUBMAN1]

Re-writing history books again I see. Nice. This one is bad though because it is done under the PC pretext.

Last one I heard is that the Japanese are re-writing the history books on WWII to sanitize it of any Japanese wrong doing. Seems history may yet elude us in the future!

Does anyone draw any similarities between this and what the Nazi's did in trying to burn all their books? Same thing is happening. One world government may be in our future since no one will know any better since no one will know what happened in the past!

Scary

-S

[CCIP]

False alarm, let it rest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6563429.stm

[Sagan]

There is a simple solution for this.

State over Church. Even Henry VIII knew that.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by CCIP

False alarm, let it rest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6563429.stm

That's not the suggestion of my link.

Originally Posted by BBC

The source of the rumour may be a report that some history teachers were uncomfortable with sensitive subjects.

The report that may have given rise to the alarm was commissioned by England's Department for Education and Skills from the Historical Association, which promotes the study and teaching of history.

It said: "Teachers and schools avoid emotive and controversial history for a variety of reasons, some of which are well-intentioned.

"Staff may wish to avoid causing offence or appearing insensitive to individuals or groups in their classes.

"In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."

The report gave as an example a history department in "a northern city" which "recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils".

So the report exists. And as I've suggested, teachers are afraid, or in euphemism mode, "unwilling", to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship. In other words, teachers submit to pupils. Better that they do challenge them unwillingly than not at all. Otherwise we should call England's Department for Education and let them know that some teachers are not enforcing the compulsory curriculum.

I see two confusions. The first is the conflict with the policy to regard Holocaust denial as a crime. Apparently there are priviledged classes that are immune to that. The second is multiculturalism. It wasn't in the plan to make people co-exist together by making one bunch afraid of the other bunch.

Question: if you aren't supposed to learn anything in history classes as long as you come home (or from the community, or from the place of worship) steeped in highly contentious or charged versions of history, why not abolish history lessons for those who meet this criteria? It seems these pupils already know everything they need to know, why should they be forced to waste time at history lessons? Give them an extended lunch-break.

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EDIT: I have found the famous report of the Historical Association. It has 48 pages. http://www.dfes.gov.uk/research/data...iles/RW100.pdf. I don't have time to read this little booklet but for history's sake, here's our historical document. The relevant citation is at page 15 and Acrobat's search engine give me 58 results for "Holocaust".

There's an announcement of that report here (http://www.history.org.uk/pdfs/Teach%203-19.doc) from which I extract the following quote: "Such areas of study include the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the Holocaust and aspects of Islamic history. These areas are sometimes avoided by teachers to steer away from controversy in the classroom.". At least the Brits are looking at the issue.

[DeePsix501]

Winston Churchill once said, "Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

I can only hope that schools heed his words.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by DeePsix501

Winston Churchill once said, "Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

Wasn't that George Santayana?

And the true, and so disgustingly misquoted, line is "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

[DeePsix501]

Its right here: http://en.thinkexist.com/search/sear...+repeat+doomed

And Santayana did say somthing similiar. So we are both right.

[baggygreen]

either way - you forget what has happened in history, and you lose the lessons so tough to learn.

Example - you forget how devastating nukes really are, and they get used again. oops

[Letum]

I don't believe this for a second!

If someone did say something along these lines then that just shows that there are irrisponsable idiots in the world, and that's nothing new!

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Letum

I don't belive this for a second!

Me thinks its a bit fishy,

why are they so worried about offending the muslims about a lesson ''Holocaust'' in history class

muslim this muslim that,

ok now, have the jews anything to say about this Holocaust? isnt the Governement afraid that they offend them with it?

really its confusing

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sagan

There is a simple solution for this.

State over Church. Even Henry VIII knew that.

I think the trend with Europe and Islam, and maybe America and fundamental Christians as well, is exactly the other way around.

Frus-tra-ting.

I have no family. Maybe 20 or 30 more years for me, then leaving the stage and hopefully never need to come back for another life. I hope there is more intelligent lifeforms somewhere in this universe for reincarnation...