S-Boat not historically correct

sea enemy · 04-06-07, 12:23 PM

Hi,
I'm sorry if this has been covered before, I couldn't find any relevant searches.

I just got around to driving some S-Boats, and:
The S-Boat, from what I understand, SHOULD NOT have a TDC with a PK, or echo ranging at the sonar station. The Mk.10 was a straight running torpedo, and the skipper of the S-Boat had to conn the firing angle on the bow, driving the boat into the shot.

Also, from what I gather, the only sound gear available on the S-boat was the hydrophone..I don't think supersonic echo ranging was added to the boats (I'm not sure if this was a wartime modification?)

Anyways...It'd be nice to have the boat more realistically modeled-there should be more nuance to a modeled ship than a 3d model with crush depth and speed.
Fire control is the 'meat' of this game. If the fire control isn't right, no need to have it as a playable, imho.

NefariousKoel · 04-06-07, 01:00 PM

S-boats weren't supposed to be in but a number of people complained so the devs just tossed it in at the last minute.

I don't really care for playing a lil S boat but maybe you should keep the TDC slideout panel closed and fire that way? I don't think it's a very important fix.

TheSatyr · 04-06-07, 01:04 PM

I imagine the TDC is in the S boats because the "is/was" (Banjo) would have been too hard to model. It basically did the same thing,only it took a little longer. Though it's been said in a few books that a master of the banjo could often beat a TDC to a target solution.

As for the MKXs,I agree that they are messed up in game.

I'm not familiar enough about S boat sonar suites to have a comment on that.

Torpex752 · 04-06-07, 04:10 PM

100% realism on my S-Boat, 3rd war patrol and 145,000 tons sunk. Thats with a TDC. If there was a switch to remove the TDC I'd use it.

Historically the S-Boat did not hace any such items: Active target ranging, fathometer, or TDC. They did have a Conning tower but I am not sure exactly what it was used for.

Frank

sea enemy · 04-06-07, 05:18 PM

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I don't really care for playing a lil S boat but maybe you should keep the TDC slideout panel closed and fire that way?

Yep, I've been trying that-pretty math intensive, but fun-and hits are particularly rewarding...
Using a speed estimation table with the solution for the torp run at 17.4yds/sec at distance will give you the proper amount of lead in degrees, and cross the old mk.I fingers.

elanaiba · 04-06-07, 05:59 PM

Are you positive the Mk10s were straight running (in ohter words, not capable of taking a turn to a gyro angle)? My sources seem to indicate the contrary....

WilhelmSchulz. · 04-06-07, 06:07 PM

I remember in "Run Silent Run Deep" the XO of the S-4 was on Command Qual. test and he had to do a spread. They used gyro angles.

NefariousKoel · 04-06-07, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sea enemy

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I don't really care for playing a lil S boat but maybe you should keep the TDC slideout panel closed and fire that way?

Yep, I've been trying that-pretty math intensive, but fun-and hits are particularly rewarding...
Using a speed estimation table with the solution for the torp run at 17.4yds/sec at distance will give you the proper amount of lead in degrees, and cross the old mk.I fingers.

Cool

sea enemy · 04-06-07, 07:02 PM

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Are you positive the Mk10s were straight running

I'm no naval munition expert, but, that's what I've read. Remember, the Mk.10 is from 1918..while the S-boat may have had some angle control (I don't know) I don't think that the MK.10 was really that far advanced from the old whitehead.

04-06-07, 12:23 PM	#1
sea enemy Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 52 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	S-Boat not historically correct Hi, I'm sorry if this has been covered before, I couldn't find any relevant searches. I just got around to driving some S-Boats, and: The S-Boat, from what I understand, SHOULD NOT have a TDC with a PK, or echo ranging at the sonar station. The Mk.10 was a straight running torpedo, and the skipper of the S-Boat had to conn the firing angle on the bow, driving the boat into the shot. Also, from what I gather, the only sound gear available on the S-boat was the hydrophone..I don't think supersonic echo ranging was added to the boats (I'm not sure if this was a wartime modification?) Anyways...It'd be nice to have the boat more realistically modeled-there should be more nuance to a modeled ship than a 3d model with crush depth and speed. Fire control is the 'meat' of this game. If the fire control isn't right, no need to have it as a playable, imho. __________________ Currently onboard USS Cuttlefish (SS171) Sub school, New London, CT

04-06-07, 01:00 PM	#2
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	S-boats weren't supposed to be in but a number of people complained so the devs just tossed it in at the last minute. I don't really care for playing a lil S boat but maybe you should keep the TDC slideout panel closed and fire that way? I don't think it's a very important fix. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

04-06-07, 06:07 PM	#7
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I remember in "Run Silent Run Deep" the XO of the S-4 was on Command Qual. test and he had to do a spread. They used gyro angles. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

04-06-07, 01:04 PM	#3
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I imagine the TDC is in the S boats because the "is/was" (Banjo) would have been too hard to model. It basically did the same thing,only it took a little longer. Though it's been said in a few books that a master of the banjo could often beat a TDC to a target solution. As for the MKXs,I agree that they are messed up in game. I'm not familiar enough about S boat sonar suites to have a comment on that.

04-06-07, 04:10 PM	#4
Torpex752 Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep River, CT Posts: 255 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	100% realism on my S-Boat, 3rd war patrol and 145,000 tons sunk. Thats with a TDC. If there was a switch to remove the TDC I'd use it. Historically the S-Boat did not hace any such items: Active target ranging, fathometer, or TDC. They did have a Conning tower but I am not sure exactly what it was used for. Frank

04-06-07, 05:59 PM	#6
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Are you positive the Mk10s were straight running (in ohter words, not capable of taking a turn to a gyro angle)? My sources seem to indicate the contrary....