should sh4 been japenese?

codmander · 03-31-07, 07:38 AM

since the u boat in the atlantic was underdogged atleast in the latter years and its 1 heck of a challenge... I think being a japense sailor/cpt on a sub during ww2 would of been aweome !! first mission sneak into pearl in your miget:hmm: or try and destroy american navel ships wooow talk about big kahunas :hmm: wonder if they ((ubi)) even have thought about it?

Tarnish_UK · 03-31-07, 07:49 AM

It's certainly a good idea for an expansion pack but I don't feel it would stand as a game in it's own right. Covert meetings with German U-Boats and daring attacks with plane carrying subs on the Panama Canal could be interesting I'd say.

codmander · 03-31-07, 09:00 AM

hmm maybe not in the usa but in japan ? I would buy it if it was like sh3 of course dont think i would set voices to japenese or text

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Originally Posted by Tarnish_UK

It's certainly a good idea for an expansion pack but I don't feel it would stand as a game in it's own right. Covert meetings with German U-Boats and daring attacks with plane carrying subs on the Panama Canal could be interesting I'd say.

Takeda Shingen · 03-31-07, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by codmander

I think being a japense sailor/cpt on a sub during ww2 would of been aweome !! first mission sneak into pearl in your miget:hmm: or try and destroy american navel ships wooow talk about big kahunas :hmm:

And then spend the rest of the war either making donuts outside of Tokyo bay or shuttling diplomatic codes to and from Germany. No thanks.

GreyOctober · 03-31-07, 11:10 AM

Oh yes..fantastic ideea. And your career would end with full honours while manning the Kaiten (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...-ss/kaiten.htm)

At least you could control the damn thing yourself

Grey

Lost@Sea · 03-31-07, 11:25 AM

Why do I keep having images of the Gilligans Island episode where the Japanese minisub didn't know the war was over.

LargeSlowTarget · 03-31-07, 11:41 AM

SH4 from the Japanese side could be interesting - torpedoing Saratoga (twice), finishing off Yorktown and Juneau, sinking Wasp and damaging North Carolina and O'Brien with a single spread, damaging Chester, sinking Indianapolis, transporting Midget subs and Kaitens to attack PH, Sydney, Ulithi, Diego Suarez (Madagaskar) and other places, chasing merchantmen off the US West Coast, around PH, Australia and the Indian Ocean as far as East Africa, launching air raids with sub-launched float planes against Washington (only air attack against CONUS ever was launched from a Japanese sub!), plane and periscope recon of Allied naval bases, supply runs to bypassed or beleaguered islands - those are the historic feats and missions of the IJN submarine force that spring to my mind instantly. Would make for an interesting campaign, don't you think?

codmander · 03-31-07, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LargeSlowTarget

SH4 from the Japanese side could be interesting - torpedoing Saratoga (twice), finishing off Yorktown and Juneau, sinking Wasp and damaging North Carolina and O'Brien with a single spread, damaging Chester, sinking Indianapolis, transporting Midget subs and Kaitens to attack PH, Sydney, Ulithi, Diego Suarez (Madagaskar) and other places, chasing merchantmen off the US West Coast, around PH, Australia and the Indian Ocean as far as East Africa, launching air raids with sub-launched float planes against Washington (only air attack against CONUS ever was launched from a Japanese sub!), plane and periscope recon of Allied naval bases, supply runs to bypassed or beleaguered islands - those are the historic feats and missions of the IJN submarine force that spring to my mind instantly. Would make for an interesting campaign, don't you think?

yes

danoh · 03-31-07, 11:58 AM

There were actually some very interesting missions by Japanaese submarines during the war. A few to note:

1) the Pearl Harbor midget sub effort mentioned above.

2) Subs were supposed to screen the U.S. fleet before Midway, but I believe they arrived late. In any case this would make a good hypothetical scenario.

3) The shelling of the Ellwood oil field north of Santa Barbara by the I-17.

4) Several major ships were sunk by Japanese submarines, like the Wasp, the Yorktown (partially) and the final ship sunk in the war, Spruance's former flagship the cruiser Indianapolis (a tragic tale worth reading up on.)

5) The hypothetical mission to launch planes that would bomb the panama canal locks.

The main problem with making a career out of driving a Japanese submarine is they were soon taken off their combat roles and relegated to delivering supplies to isolated garrisons. I've seen lists of the most successful U-Boats and U.S. subs, but never one that showed the top-scoring Japanese submarines/captains.

Still as a hypothetical it could be a lot of fun, especially if you got to drive the one that launched planes. There was another interesting variant that carried two amphibious tractors on it's hull. The idea was to get close to some attoll, launch the tractors, which would then crawl over reefs and into the lagoon where they could launch torpedoes at anchored ships. It never was used in combat, but would be a cool mission to complete.

Any ideas about how capable the Japanese subs were? Did they dive quickly or have a decent crush depth. Certainly, you would enjoy the best torpedoes in the world playing as Japan.

LargeSlowTarget · 03-31-07, 12:16 PM

Japanese subs were slow to dive, had rather shallow crush depth and were quite noisy, in general they were technically inferior compared to the subs of other major Navies but of course there were some advanced designs as well (the I-200 class for example achieved underwater speeds of 19 knots). Japanese subs divide into two main categories, the small coastal subs of the RO classes and the big fleet subs of the various I-classes, including the giant I-400 class. More here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...avy_submarines.

Takeda Shingen · 03-31-07, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by danoh

There were actually some very interesting missions by Japanaese submarines during the war. A few to note:

1) the Pearl Harbor midget sub effort mentioned above.

2) Subs were supposed to screen the U.S. fleet before Midway, but I believe they arrived late. In any case this would make a good hypothetical scenario.

3) The shelling of the Ellwood oil field north of Santa Barbara by the I-17.

4) Several major ships were sunk by Japanese submarines, like the Wasp, the Yorktown (partially) and the final ship sunk in the war, Spruance's former flagship the cruiser Indianapolis (a tragic tale worth reading up on.)

5) The hypothetical mission to launch planes that would bomb the panama canal locks.

I'll just handle them one at a time:

1. Resulted in mission failure and sinking.

2. They arrived late. Mission failure.

3. One sub. One mission. Fifteen shells.

4. Irregular compared to the typical submarine performance.

5. Hypothetical.

It sounds like a very sparse and overly-scripted campaign to me. Free-form play is what makes for interesting submarine simulations, no?

03-31-07, 07:38 AM	#1
codmander Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cape cod mass. Posts: 678 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	should sh4 been japenese? since the u boat in the atlantic was underdogged atleast in the latter years and its 1 heck of a challenge... I think being a japense sailor/cpt on a sub during ww2 would of been aweome !! first mission sneak into pearl in your miget:hmm: or try and destroy american navel ships wooow talk about big kahunas :hmm: wonder if they ((ubi)) even have thought about it?

03-31-07, 11:10 AM	#5
GreyOctober Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Oh yes..fantastic ideea. And your career would end with full honours while manning the Kaiten (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...-ss/kaiten.htm) At least you could control the damn thing yourself Grey __________________

03-31-07, 11:58 AM	#9
danoh Seaman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There were actually some very interesting missions by Japanaese submarines during the war. A few to note: 1) the Pearl Harbor midget sub effort mentioned above. 2) Subs were supposed to screen the U.S. fleet before Midway, but I believe they arrived late. In any case this would make a good hypothetical scenario. 3) The shelling of the Ellwood oil field north of Santa Barbara by the I-17. 4) Several major ships were sunk by Japanese submarines, like the Wasp, the Yorktown (partially) and the final ship sunk in the war, Spruance's former flagship the cruiser Indianapolis (a tragic tale worth reading up on.) 5) The hypothetical mission to launch planes that would bomb the panama canal locks. The main problem with making a career out of driving a Japanese submarine is they were soon taken off their combat roles and relegated to delivering supplies to isolated garrisons. I've seen lists of the most successful U-Boats and U.S. subs, but never one that showed the top-scoring Japanese submarines/captains. Still as a hypothetical it could be a lot of fun, especially if you got to drive the one that launched planes. There was another interesting variant that carried two amphibious tractors on it's hull. The idea was to get close to some attoll, launch the tractors, which would then crawl over reefs and into the lagoon where they could launch torpedoes at anchored ships. It never was used in combat, but would be a cool mission to complete. Any ideas about how capable the Japanese subs were? Did they dive quickly or have a decent crush depth. Certainly, you would enjoy the best torpedoes in the world playing as Japan. __________________ "What the world needs is less love and more common decency" - Kurt Vonnegut

03-31-07, 07:49 AM	#2
Tarnish_UK Watch Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southampton, UK Posts: 28 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's certainly a good idea for an expansion pack but I don't feel it would stand as a game in it's own right. Covert meetings with German U-Boats and daring attacks with plane carrying subs on the Panama Canal could be interesting I'd say.

03-31-07, 11:25 AM	#6
Lost@Sea Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Why do I keep having images of the Gilligans Island episode where the Japanese minisub didn't know the war was over.

03-31-07, 11:41 AM	#7
LargeSlowTarget Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	SH4 from the Japanese side could be interesting - torpedoing Saratoga (twice), finishing off Yorktown and Juneau, sinking Wasp and damaging North Carolina and O'Brien with a single spread, damaging Chester, sinking Indianapolis, transporting Midget subs and Kaitens to attack PH, Sydney, Ulithi, Diego Suarez (Madagaskar) and other places, chasing merchantmen off the US West Coast, around PH, Australia and the Indian Ocean as far as East Africa, launching air raids with sub-launched float planes against Washington (only air attack against CONUS ever was launched from a Japanese sub!), plane and periscope recon of Allied naval bases, supply runs to bypassed or beleaguered islands - those are the historic feats and missions of the IJN submarine force that spring to my mind instantly. Would make for an interesting campaign, don't you think?

03-31-07, 12:16 PM	#10
LargeSlowTarget Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Japanese subs were slow to dive, had rather shallow crush depth and were quite noisy, in general they were technically inferior compared to the subs of other major Navies but of course there were some advanced designs as well (the I-200 class for example achieved underwater speeds of 19 knots). Japanese subs divide into two main categories, the small coastal subs of the RO classes and the big fleet subs of the various I-classes, including the giant I-400 class. More here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...avy_submarines.