I keep hearing about " Other games are buggy when they come out "

[fastfed]

I have not posted anything negative about this game, I actually just packed the game up and put it away till maybe things get better in the future..

What I am curious about though, because I do rad the forums, is I keep hearing about how " I have never bought a game that didn't have the amount of bugs, just like this game "

So name them please..

In the past few years I have bought and played

WorldofWarcraft ( Out of the gate the game played fine and nothing major to make the game unplayable, now mind you its a pay to play so I am sure that would be a huge reason )

Battlefield,and part 2, game came with NO bugs, again none that made the game unplayable or atleast as bad as SH4.

Halflife 1 and 2, again same thing, no real bugs.

Even SH3, I just reinstalled the game and played it stock for a little, the game was still playable.

Company of Hero's,bug free.
LMAO!! Even WW2 online right out of the gate was more playable IMO.

I can sit here all day of all the games my hard earned money went towards, and I NEVER not even once thought of not playing a game due to bugs, but sorry to say SH4 is the first game I even decided to put down.

I hope this game does get fixed, because for me to put this game down really means its way to horrible, considering I love subgames more than anything else..

But I am curious guys, what other games are you all comparing this horrible bug infested game to?

[Keelbuster]

Most games have a playable release. It's one of those things that most developers aim for.

[Jace11]

I agree, this title SH4 takes the already unacceptable practice of releasing bugged products early to a whole new level. The game (or mod - as it seems to me) is half finished.

I can't think of any games in a worse condition... Not one..

TotalWar series are bad, GRAW was bad, HoI2 was buggy, but SH4 is a mess, a shocking mess, I am angry, disappointed but I won't be buying any more Ubi titles for a while.

I mean, they make a strategic decision money vs quality, they clearly chose money in this case, not even a happy medium, so future Ubi titles may well be similar. I was thinking about buying the next Brothers in Arms game... No way now...

They can get away with it a few times, but then their reputation will become sullied. Most people, including myself, expect and tolerate a certain number of bugs that slip through testing.

But this game looks like it was never tested. The photoshoped preview screens made me suspicious and the week before release I asked here about the resolution, everyone said "yeah its gonna run at high-res" hmmmm they were mislead.. on purpose methinks

So disappointed, feel so betrayed... its a shame cause the atmosphere of SH3 is there in SH4 it just gets ruined by all the bugs... Such a waste of effort..

[stinger503]

Originally Posted by Jace11

But this game looks like it was never tested.

I can agree with this. I mean how can you miss a bug like the clipboard load bug? That would be like if it took half an hour for Halo to load the Pause Menu!

[Sharkfood]

Dear Fastfed,


What do you understand after reading the comments so far?I tell you what i understand (and i think what game companies understand):

No matter how much you rush a game,no matter how many the bugs,it's ok!Because people are so used to them now,that they have learnt to accept paying for a product ,that if it was ANYTHING ELSE than a PC game,they would ask their money back.Of course you can't do that with PC games ,because of the law of the jungle that exists in this sector.

I hear ya!I had a Commodore too.Ah,the old times,where "patch" was an unknown word...(yes,much simpler games,yet companies were much smaller too,relying on a very small market,but respecting the customer,probably exactly because the customer was precious).

Human is a creature driven by habbits.Make him used to a situation and he will never complain again.They could even sell unfinished books and you would see that people would still buy them ,waiting for the author to release the final chapter as "patch".

Why would a company respect the customer,when the customer doesn't respect himself?Ubi only watches the cash flow.As long as it's at expected levels,there is nothing wrong with releasing half finished games.And the majority of people have no problem with it!It has become a competition of who has played the buggiest game!LOL!How insane can that be? :rotfl: When SH 5 will come out full of bugs,people will be saying "Remember how awful SH4 was?So get over it!" LOL! It's amazing how much a person can take and even pay for it!

I agree with you,put the game aside and wait some months.I was so tired with SH3 and waiting for the patches that by the time 1.4b came out,i was so bored that i wouldn't play anymore.Only GWX made me return.

So better wait and play the "FULL" game,after all the patches come out.

Cheers

Sharkfood

[fastfed]

Originally Posted by Sharkfood

Dear Fastfed,


What do you understand after reading the comments so far?I tell you what i understand (and i think what game companies understand):

No matter how much you rush a game,no matter how many the bugs,it's ok!Because people are so used to them now,that they have learnt to accept paying for a product ,that if it was ANYTHING ELSE than a PC game,they would ask their money back.Of course you can't do that with PC games ,because of the law of the jungle that exists in this sector.

I hear ya!I had a Commodore too.Ah,the old times,where "patch" was an unknown word...(yes,much simpler games,yet companies were much smaller too,relying on a very small market,but respecting the customer,probably exactly because the customer was precious).

Human is a creature driven by habbits.Make him used to a situation and he will never complain again.They could even sell unfinished books and you would see that people would still buy them ,waiting for the author to release the final chapter as "patch".

Why would a company respect the customer,when the customer doesn't respect himself?Ubi only watches the cash flow.As long as it's at expected levels,there is nothing wrong with releasing half finished games.And the majority of people have no problem with it!It has become a competition of who has played the buggiest game!LOL!How insane can that be? :rotfl: When SH 5 will come out full of bugs,people will be saying "Remember how awful SH4 was?So get over it!" LOL! It's amazing how much a person can take and even pay for it!

I agree with you,put the game aside and wait some months.I was so tired with SH3 and waiting for the patches that by the time 1.4b came out,i was so bored that i wouldn't play anymore.Only GWX made me return.

So better wait and play the "FULL" game,after all the patches come out.

Cheers

Sharkfood

I understand alot that is being replied in this thread, but again, every game that I ever played, I never stopped due to bugs, sure there are bugs in almost every game but not to the point of the game not being able to be played ( Except WW2 online, but that was only due to the massive graphics back in the day )

I had to stop playing SH4 due to the bugs also maybe its mental but when you realize they can't even fix typo's in a manual, or make sure what the manual says is true to the game. Imagine getting a new car and it tells you little things like; open the glove box to press the trunk button, to pop the hood pull the lever under the steering colum, so on and so forth, only to find out nothing is there..

I could play tons of stock games and enjoy them, even SH3 I played stock for years till just recently, with GWX.

I will bet anything that the mods HAVE to make this game playable.

[mookiemookie]

Neverwinter Nights 2 was a mess and also had a patch that came out the day after release day. Knights of the Old Republic 2 was ridiculously buggy. Battlefield 2 was horribly buggy. It happens. Get over it.

Also think about the games you've named off there. Big budget games that will sell millions of copies. Think about what SH4 is. A niche market product. Of course they're going to release those games as bug free as possible...3 million people complaining about a buggy game hurts your sales more than 300,000 people complaining about a buggy game will hurt your sales. Simple economics.

The simple fact is that as sub sim fans, we don't have a lot of choice. I'm just happy to have the game out there, buggy or not. Your only choice is this or nothing. I'll take this.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Knights of the Old Republic 2 was ridiculously buggy.

Another Ubi game. In fact is everyone aware of the fact that they rushed Obsidian so much in this game that they had to remove an entire PLANET? After release the modding community found huge stores of game files that had just been cut from the game: voice edits from character development, rooms, an entire part of the story arc missing. All so it could be rushed to shelves. And to this day Kotor 2 fans feel cheated by it.

Kotor 2 has 2 possible endings. There were supposed to be 13. Think about it.

[Forlorn]

With the widespread of internet and the whole industry looking for money I see that the quality of release versions is getting lower and lower. Companies can release an unfinished piece of software - since patches could be easily made public and available for everybody. Depending on the amount of sold copies they can fix something or not.

I bought NWN2 when it was released. I expected it to be unfinished but also expected quick fixes. All the balance stuff with that content of NWN2 is really complex and probably most of the unbalancing stuff will probably found and noticed by the thousands of hardcore gamers. No problem with that. Was is playable and stable? YES. edit: especially with thousands of different objects

Falcon4 or Falcon Allied Force - I expected issues on FalconAF, since tons of opensource changes were included in a company product and calculating of 500,000 objects in realtime is really hard work. Was is playable and stable? YES.

Gothic III - I expected issues from complexity... and from Gothic II. Was is playable and stable? NO. Current patch size is about 1GB, but not released yet after a fix small patch right after release. Is it playable now? NO. After months and millions sold copies. I never buy Gothic ABX again.

Anno 1701 - I expected issues from complexity. No issues at all. Working fine even with a small miny patch it works fine out of the box.

SH4 - actually just a 20 more new models, a new engine ( but that's actually just an upgrade to 2004 tec ) - I didn't expect that many issues. Stable? YES. Playable? Sort of (if you mark your "A" with a big red X). To me SH4 is just a replacement of the theatre, especially when you look on the scheme of the files etc. Most models are available in the internet for free or a small fee. That's why the SH4 vs SH3 come up again and again. There shouldn't be year 2005 errors again.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Another Ubi game. In fact is everyone aware of the fact that they rushed Obsidian so much in this game that they had to remove an entire PLANET? After release the modding community found huge stores of game files that had just been cut from the game: voice edits from character development, rooms, an entire part of the story arc missing. All so it could be rushed to shelves. And to this day Kotor 2 fans feel cheated by it.

Kotor 2 has 2 possible endings. There were supposed to be 13. Think about it.

Actually no, it was a lucasarts game.
And the game was half finished when lucasarts decided to publish it.
The game has whole MISSING sections and missing dialog in it.
The real problem was that Bioware with Kotor I didn't have to bow to lucasarts orders, thats why the game was great. It was published in a complete state.
Unfortunately Obsidian didn't have the same importance as Bioware, so when lucasarts in its infinite wisdom decide to publish the game, Obsidian didn't have any choice.
So sad, because KOTOR II could have been a real great game.

[Egan]

Got to be honest. I've found Sh4 to be playable and entirely stable. A couple of bugs. Haven't had any real effect on me what so ever. most problems i've had are more to do with me GPU not being hot enough but that is being rememdied today. Certainly not finding any worse that Sh3 and certainly not had any 'gamebreaker' bugs that people seem to be so keen on seeing all the time. Even my stadimeter works great. I'm also not sure every post i've read about bugs seems to know what a bug actually is as opposed to a game design choice.

There are things in the game I don't like - it still feels far too arcade for my likening - but They aren't bugs and I doubt there has ever been a game released where I have liked the entire feature set.

[macky]

Originally Posted by Egan

Got to be honest. I've found Sh4 to be playable and entirely stable.

I can understand this. There are bound to be some who do not get problems, or the ones they do it doesnt really matter to much. The reason is not because your copy is in a better state than someone elses, but probably because you do not use every function available.

For example, if you do not press for keeping depth, you will never experience ctd by pressing A. Personally, I keep doin git because I am a nub and keep forgetting not to do it

The video card I have now is more forgiveable (nvidea 7600GS instead of ati 9600) so the graphical anomolies are not as present as they were. Although I still get the 1-50fps loop of death more than I would like to in area's where there are no other ships or land apart from my sub on external view - and I am an eye candy person so I do like to use external camera.

So I think it depends on how you play, though if its in the game, i.e. a function of the game, it should work "as intended"...and for some things it just doesnt.

This is where consoles win, there is only one version of console, so no problems in compatability etc. This is why making for pc is more of a challenge. A challenge that ubi are obviously inept at.

[Immacolata]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Another Ubi game. In fact is everyone aware of the fact that they rushed Obsidian so much in this game that they had to remove an entire PLANET? After release the modding community found huge stores of game files that had just been cut from the game: voice edits from character development, rooms, an entire part of the story arc missing. All so it could be rushed to shelves. And to this day Kotor 2 fans feel cheated by it.

Kotor 2 has 2 possible endings. There were supposed to be 13. Think about it.

Ultima VII part 2: The Serpent Isle had massive hidden content that was cut in the last moment. Digital archeologists extracted a lot of endgame content that simply was unhooked some point before the game shipped. But remained in.

The practice is old. Now I just wish people wouldn't get so damn upset over bugs always. It ruins my game twice. First the bugs, then the endless whining over it. It is like when your vacation is ruined by a rainstorm and that obnoxious lady keeps moaning how rain ruined HER holidy. ... Like, STFU.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Immacolata

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Now I just wish people wouldn't get so damn upset over bugs always. It ruins my game twice. First the bugs, then the endless whining over it. It is like when your vacation is ruined by a rainstorm and that obnoxious lady keeps moaning how rain ruined HER holidy. ... Like, STFU.

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[Audie]

Originally Posted by Immacolata

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Now I just wish people wouldn't get so damn upset over bugs always. It ruins my game twice. First the bugs, then the endless whining over it. It is like when your vacation is ruined by a rainstorm and that obnoxious lady keeps moaning how rain ruined HER holidy. ... Like, STFU.

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