Midway Island

Javelin · 03-30-07, 11:59 AM

Midway Island. Couldn't believe how many classes of ships were there, and the port itself. In reality, Midway was not even close to what is portrayed in SH4. Shame they didn't bother to do any research Also New Guinea is misspelled on the map. Just some observations.

E.Hartmann · 03-30-07, 12:45 PM

Whats the date?

I arrived at Midway from a Far Eastern patrol jsut after the battle of Midway had ended it seemed. Teh place was full of life boats and downed airmain so I delayed returning to patrol and spent a ew hours rescuing people. Not sure if I get a medal or not as I'm still on the same patrol I just keep refitting. There was about 5 warships and 4 merchants, as well as about 15 life boats and that many survivors floating about.

WFGood · 03-30-07, 03:00 PM

Midway was actually an important post in the Pacific War. The base at its height had several tenant commands:
Naval Air Station
Submarine Base
Marine Aviation
Marine Defense Battalion
Public Works as Resident Officer-in-Charge
P.T. Boats
Army
Construction Battalion
Ship Intemediate Repair Facility

Now I agree that the base may be a little crowded for normal operations, but I am sure that it saw its share of ships during the war.

Avatar · 03-30-07, 03:56 PM

Riding past Midway is a pain with the SD as is right now. Radar reports every few seconds.

I'm just keeping the numpad + button pressed the entire time.

Javelin · 03-30-07, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WFGood

Midway was actually an important post in the Pacific War. The base at its height had several tenant commands:
Naval Air Station
Submarine Base
Marine Aviation
Marine Defense Battalion
Public Works as Resident Officer-in-Charge
P.T. Boats
Army
Construction Battalion
Ship Intemediate Repair Facility

Now I agree that the base may be a little crowded for normal operations, but I am sure that it saw its share of ships during the war.

It was not a fleet Anchorage. Used for refueling subs, and other small ships. Never would a task force dock there. It was a small island, and to show it with facilities that rival Mare Island is not right. And lighthouses to boot. No way. Just a little reading should have been done. Also, plenty of pictures of Midway are available.
Still its an enjoyable sim, and just that.

Sailor Steve · 03-30-07, 04:45 PM

I've been to Midway, but only once and I don't remember much. On the other hand, Wiki has a pretty good set of maps and pics. You might fit a lot of ships in there, but I think you're right, and they didn't.

As for actual dock space...doesn't look like too much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_Atoll

akdavis · 03-30-07, 05:28 PM

big map:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islan...islands_91.jpg

Sand Island with harbor:
http://midway.daveylee.net/images/island.jpg

WFGood · 03-30-07, 05:30 PM

I am sure they did plenty of reading, as they seem to have done enough research on the Pacific War. If you grabbed the bases' official history like I did and saw that list of tennant commands, then they may have assumed it was a much larger base. Whether or not they should have spent the time to model Midway exactly the state at which it was in a particular phase of WWII would be a waste of time in my opinion. The base existed and served as a vital part of our war effort. That is enough. The harbor facilities were in fact small, and the only ships permanently based there were a sub tender, a destroyer tender, some PT boats, as well as service craft. I am sure they were attempting to make it look like a naval base, which they did. If this was supposed to be an exact mirroring of WWII, then we would not have a dynamic campaign or most of the ships that appear as targets since there would only really be one or two of them for the whole war. Like you said, it is a fun sim, and that should be enough.
As far as spelling goes, who knows how it is spelled in their native language. US atlases have misspelled the names of countries for years. I have gotten an earful from more than one person about it while visiting their countries. It is sometimes hard to translate from one language into another and get it exactly right. I am not making excuses for them, but it may be making an assumption to say they didn't do any reading on the subject.

WFGood · 03-30-07, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akdavis

big map:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islan...islands_91.jpg

Sand Island with harbor:
http://midway.daveylee.net/images/island.jpg

Great pics!

-Pv- · 03-30-07, 05:38 PM

I think the harbor is reasonably well portrayed although a little overdone in the forces for the time. All-in-all what's there adds to the game more than takes away.
-Pv-

03-30-07, 11:59 AM	#1
Javelin Gunner Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York city Posts: 98 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	Midway Island Midway Island. Couldn't believe how many classes of ships were there, and the port itself. In reality, Midway was not even close to what is portrayed in SH4. Shame they didn't bother to do any research Also New Guinea is misspelled on the map. Just some observations.

03-30-07, 03:00 PM	#3
WFGood Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: high above the big blue Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Midway was actually an important post in the Pacific War. The base at its height had several tenant commands: Naval Air Station Submarine Base Marine Aviation Marine Defense Battalion Public Works as Resident Officer-in-Charge P.T. Boats Army Construction Battalion Ship Intemediate Repair Facility Now I agree that the base may be a little crowded for normal operations, but I am sure that it saw its share of ships during the war. __________________

03-30-07, 04:45 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I've been to Midway, but only once and I don't remember much. On the other hand, Wiki has a pretty good set of maps and pics. You might fit a lot of ships in there, but I think you're right, and they didn't. As for actual dock space...doesn't look like too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_Atoll __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-30-07, 05:28 PM	#7
akdavis Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 597 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	big map: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islan...islands_91.jpg Sand Island with harbor: http://midway.daveylee.net/images/island.jpg __________________ -AKD

03-30-07, 05:30 PM	#8
WFGood Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: high above the big blue Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I am sure they did plenty of reading, as they seem to have done enough research on the Pacific War. If you grabbed the bases' official history like I did and saw that list of tennant commands, then they may have assumed it was a much larger base. Whether or not they should have spent the time to model Midway exactly the state at which it was in a particular phase of WWII would be a waste of time in my opinion. The base existed and served as a vital part of our war effort. That is enough. The harbor facilities were in fact small, and the only ships permanently based there were a sub tender, a destroyer tender, some PT boats, as well as service craft. I am sure they were attempting to make it look like a naval base, which they did. If this was supposed to be an exact mirroring of WWII, then we would not have a dynamic campaign or most of the ships that appear as targets since there would only really be one or two of them for the whole war. Like you said, it is a fun sim, and that should be enough. As far as spelling goes, who knows how it is spelled in their native language. US atlases have misspelled the names of countries for years. I have gotten an earful from more than one person about it while visiting their countries. It is sometimes hard to translate from one language into another and get it exactly right. I am not making excuses for them, but it may be making an assumption to say they didn't do any reading on the subject. __________________

03-30-07, 12:45 PM	#2
E.Hartmann Soundman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 147 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Whats the date? I arrived at Midway from a Far Eastern patrol jsut after the battle of Midway had ended it seemed. Teh place was full of life boats and downed airmain so I delayed returning to patrol and spent a ew hours rescuing people. Not sure if I get a medal or not as I'm still on the same patrol I just keep refitting. There was about 5 warships and 4 merchants, as well as about 15 life boats and that many survivors floating about.

03-30-07, 03:56 PM	#4
Avatar Commodore Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Way out there Posts: 603 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Riding past Midway is a pain with the SD as is right now. Radar reports every few seconds. I'm just keeping the numpad + button pressed the entire time.

03-30-07, 05:38 PM	#10
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think the harbor is reasonably well portrayed although a little overdone in the forces for the time. All-in-all what's there adds to the game more than takes away. -Pv-