TWO Deck Guns.... how to man them?

Schlageter-JG26 · 03-24-07, 01:14 AM

I'm still putzing around with whatever values I can get my hands on, and getting closer with some crew improvements for those who are not interested in having their crews die for no reason.

Anyway, stumbled across one of the Deckgun upgrades which is a 2x version of the 5.25". When I put my next test-sub to sea I realized that it DID have a fore and aft 5.25" battery. BUT... I can only man the rear station and not the fore, unlike the AA guns which I can swap back and forth between. I did make sure to set crew to both deck guns when I tried it.

Has anyone seen this in later career patrols? Are we not supposed to be able to fire the fore gun manually and be forced to rely on AI?

Roadsweeper · 03-24-07, 04:17 AM

The fore gun is capable of being fired manually, I prefer my deck gun in front of the conning tower, not behind, and using the ingame upgrades I've moved the gun on the Porpoise to the front, so a front gun definately CAN be crewed.... altohugh like yourself, Ive had no success with 2 guns, seems to default to the rear somehow.......

Maybe its something in the interface? The AA guns have two buttons, one button for the front and one for the rear, would creating a 2nd button for the fore deck gun do the same job, and assign it to the fore gun crew slots or something??

Mush Martin · 03-24-07, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlageter-JG26

I'm still putzing around with whatever values I can get my hands on, and getting closer with some crew improvements for those who are not interested in having their crews die for no reason.

Anyway, stumbled across one of the Deckgun upgrades which is a 2x version of the 5.25". When I put my next test-sub to sea I realized that it DID have a fore and aft 5.25" battery. BUT... I can only man the rear station and not the fore, unlike the AA guns which I can swap back and forth between. I did make sure to set crew to both deck guns when I tried it.

Has anyone seen this in later career patrols? Are we not supposed to be able to fire the fore gun manually and be forced to rely on AI?

This problem is totally in common with sh3 two gun Uberboot mod and
drivable bismark mod
where is the two gun mod for sh4 ? I will look at it.

In Uber it works the same way ai crew man aft deckgun fwd deckgun is slaved to same target as aft
deckgun with invisible phantom crew and no seats for the missing gunners in F7

when surface fighting you can engage two targets by designating a target for gunners
with binos. and then manning fwd gun to engage a seperate surface target manually.

Schlageter-JG26 · 03-24-07, 10:28 AM

Yeah, I prefer the fwd position too. What I haven't found out yet is whether both guns dip into the same ammo store or if they have an independent supply from one another.

Mush Martin · 03-24-07, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlageter-JG26

Yeah, I prefer the fwd position too. What I haven't found out yet is whether both guns dip into the same ammo store or if they have an independent supply from one another.

I Cant remember but I believe the supply may be individual

will be in testing again later this eve will confirm and let you know.

where did you locate two guns for sh4 is it an In Game upgrade your doing?
MM

Schlageter-JG26 · 03-24-07, 07:50 PM

It's included in the game. If you look through the file... not sure if it is Weapons or Equip or Ammo.... but there are several versions of each gun. 3.5, 4.5 and 5.25 in Fore and Aft settings.

But there is an extra one for the 5.25 called 2x or Double. When I nulled the dates on it and loaded it, it has a 5.25" fore AND aft.

Mush Martin · 03-24-07, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlageter-JG26

It's included in the game. If you look through the file... not sure if it is Weapons or Equip or Ammo.... but there are several versions of each gun. 3.5, 4.5 and 5.25 in Fore and Aft settings.

But there is an extra one for the 5.25 called 2x or Double. When I nulled the dates on it and loaded it, it has a 5.25" fore AND aft.

Wikcked do your aft guns have user sights ?

Schlageter-JG26 · 03-25-07, 12:29 AM

Tested it out earlier. You can man the rear 5.25" like normal and the front gun is 100% AI. If you are broadside and want to save ammo, man the rear one yourself and hold fire while your fore gun crew goes nuts. Or just keep your conning tower between the rear gun and the target. Edit: And they have separate ammo caches.

Q: How do we designate to the gun crews which ship to fire on? Do they automatically lock onto the one you have 'locked' your periscope to?

BTW - the 5.25" is a WICKED gun. It rips some SERIOUS holes in enemy merchants!

Mush Martin · 03-25-07, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlageter-JG26

Tested it out earlier. You can man the rear 5.25" like normal and the front gun is 100% AI. If you are broadside and want to save ammo, man the rear one yourself and hold fire while your fore gun crew goes nuts. Or just keep your conning tower between the rear gun and the target. Edit: And they have separate ammo caches.

Q: How do we designate to the gun crews which ship to fire on? Do they automatically lock onto the one you have 'locked' your periscope to?

BTW - the 5.25" is a WICKED gun. It rips some SERIOUS holes in enemy merchants!

Ive been doing a whole bunch of otherstuff so I havent had time to
test it in sh4 there should be wo orders in menu
but best way is be on bridge look at desired target through binoc's and
then hit space bar to designate target for ai deckgunners afterwards
go to player deckgun and choose any target you please same one
or other wise.
in wo orders I havent looked but you should be able to have them aim
for closest warship or mechant.

[edit] Ive done patch and tried upgrade on startmenu and didnt locate
anything didnt see it in ingame menu didnt see a mod and couldnt see
it as an available upgrade ingame when scanning basic cfg.

where is two gun upgrade option specifically located I am lost.?

Schlageter-JG26 · 03-25-07, 02:25 PM

In the UpgradePacks file, have Word find "Upack5in25calDGDouble" for you and then set the dates to null. That's the double heavy guns.

I managed to find where the target designation SHOULD be in-game. From the TBT on the Conn there is a tab to designate target, but it DOES NOT WORK yet in the game. Just a vestigial key. I'm hoping they fix it with the next patch.

Mush Martin · 03-25-07, 08:31 PM

I did find it and thanks will look at designation in tbt issue and see if its a
straightforward fix.
MM

03-24-07, 01:14 AM	#1
Schlageter-JG26 Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	TWO Deck Guns.... how to man them? I'm still putzing around with whatever values I can get my hands on, and getting closer with some crew improvements for those who are not interested in having their crews die for no reason. Anyway, stumbled across one of the Deckgun upgrades which is a 2x version of the 5.25". When I put my next test-sub to sea I realized that it DID have a fore and aft 5.25" battery. BUT... I can only man the rear station and not the fore, unlike the AA guns which I can swap back and forth between. I did make sure to set crew to both deck guns when I tried it. Has anyone seen this in later career patrols? Are we not supposed to be able to fire the fore gun manually and be forced to rely on AI?

03-25-07, 08:31 PM	#11
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I did find it and thanks will look at designation in tbt issue and see if its a straightforward fix. MM __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-24-07, 04:17 AM	#2
Roadsweeper Watch Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dingwall Posts: 28 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	The fore gun is capable of being fired manually, I prefer my deck gun in front of the conning tower, not behind, and using the ingame upgrades I've moved the gun on the Porpoise to the front, so a front gun definately CAN be crewed.... altohugh like yourself, Ive had no success with 2 guns, seems to default to the rear somehow....... Maybe its something in the interface? The AA guns have two buttons, one button for the front and one for the rear, would creating a 2nd button for the fore deck gun do the same job, and assign it to the fore gun crew slots or something??

03-24-07, 10:28 AM	#4
Schlageter-JG26 Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I prefer the fwd position too. What I haven't found out yet is whether both guns dip into the same ammo store or if they have an independent supply from one another.

03-24-07, 07:50 PM	#6
Schlageter-JG26 Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	It's included in the game. If you look through the file... not sure if it is Weapons or Equip or Ammo.... but there are several versions of each gun. 3.5, 4.5 and 5.25 in Fore and Aft settings. But there is an extra one for the 5.25 called 2x or Double. When I nulled the dates on it and loaded it, it has a 5.25" fore AND aft.

03-25-07, 12:29 AM	#8
Schlageter-JG26 Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Tested it out earlier. You can man the rear 5.25" like normal and the front gun is 100% AI. If you are broadside and want to save ammo, man the rear one yourself and hold fire while your fore gun crew goes nuts. Or just keep your conning tower between the rear gun and the target. Edit: And they have separate ammo caches. Q: How do we designate to the gun crews which ship to fire on? Do they automatically lock onto the one you have 'locked' your periscope to? BTW - the 5.25" is a WICKED gun. It rips some SERIOUS holes in enemy merchants!

03-25-07, 02:25 PM	#10
Schlageter-JG26 Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	In the UpgradePacks file, have Word find "Upack5in25calDGDouble" for you and then set the dates to null. That's the double heavy guns. I managed to find where the target designation SHOULD be in-game. From the TBT on the Conn there is a tab to designate target, but it DOES NOT WORK yet in the game. Just a vestigial key. I'm hoping they fix it with the next patch.