I kind of hope for manual Dive Planes

OneTinSoldier · 03-17-07, 02:54 PM

Not a big deal, but I'm kind of hoping for manual control of the Dive Planes rather than they be automatic. Don't you think that would be cool?

They'll probably be automatic though.

Rip · 03-17-07, 02:58 PM

I would be thrilled with just the ability to change depth "smartly" causing the diving party to use steep angles.

aanker · 03-17-07, 03:02 PM

a very big deal !! I would be shocked if manual dive planes were omitted. Even SH I had them.

AirborneTD · 03-17-07, 03:27 PM

I'm worried because every screenshot I've seen with a boat on the surface has them deployed. I really hope they are retracted (either auto or manual) when running on the surface.

mookiemookie · 03-17-07, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aanker

a very big deal !! I would be shocked if manual dive planes were omitted. Even SH I had them.

SH3 didn't

CCIP · 03-17-07, 04:42 PM

I'm 99% sure it won't.

From SHIII, the explanation the devs gave is that you play the captain of a sub - and a captain gives orders, he doesn't go grabbig all the manual controls.

In a way, the explanation made sense to me, though sometimes I do wish for more manual control. However, I don't think we'll be getting it. I'm fine with that myself...

Sailor Steve · 03-17-07, 04:58 PM

World War Two subs weren't like modern ones, with a single 'pilot' controlling the ship. There were two planesmen, one for forward and one for aft planes, plus a helmsman to steer.

It might be cool, but it's nowhere close to realistic.

Arrowhead2k1 · 03-17-07, 05:24 PM

The 'Captain' should atleast be able to request a steeper dive, shouldn't he?

OneTinSoldier · 03-17-07, 05:26 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. Although I kind of hope for some manual control I'm fine with them being auto as well. I do wonder if there was ever good reason for a Captain to give orders to rig in or rig out diving planes. :hmm:

Cheers All

mookiemookie · 03-17-07, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrowhead2k1

The 'Captain' should atleast be able to request a steeper dive, shouldn't he?

Question coming from someone who's never served on a submarine: I understand why a captain would order a steeper than normal dive (get the hell down, and quick!) but why would he order a shallower than normal dive? :hmm:

nattydread · 03-17-07, 07:25 PM

I dont really need to see manual dive planes, just the ability to order steeper dives and request trim in degrees of nose/tail up or down.

I'd like to see steep dives be limited by experience and skill of the planesmen, so requesting and forcing too steep of a dive for a green crew could lead to the sub going out off control, or having problems leveling out at the desired depth, etc.

OneTinSoldier · 03-17-07, 07:35 PM

Sounds good to me nattydread.

Schultzy · 03-17-07, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AirborneTD

I'm worried because every screenshot I've seen with a boat on the surface has them deployed. I really hope they are retracted (either auto or manual) when running on the surface.

Then worry no longer.

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AirborneTD · 03-17-07, 08:40 PM

Hehe. Nice, Schultzy, nice.

aanker · 03-18-07, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

I'm 99% sure it won't.

From SHIII, the explanation the devs gave is that you play the captain of a sub - and a captain gives orders, he doesn't go grabbig all the manual controls.

In a way, the explanation made sense to me, though sometimes I do wish for more manual control. However, I don't think we'll be getting it. I'm fine with that myself...

Initially this made sense however using the explanation, "you are the Captain"... the Captain wouldn't be operating the TDC as manual TDC players like to do. ;-)

In SH I (and Pacific Aces with the Projekt Messerswetzer mod) I use the "planes on dive" and "planes on the rise" commands to go deep for ASW and level the boat out. The boat dives faster than just clicking on say 550'. The "crash dive" command only goes to approx 250' (depending on which game it is) and then without the planes command; a slow descent the rest of the way...

Maybe the modder's will mod manual planes. If not I am still very happy to see the return to the Pacific !!

Art

03-17-07, 02:54 PM	#1
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	I kind of hope for manual Dive Planes Not a big deal, but I'm kind of hoping for manual control of the Dive Planes rather than they be automatic. Don't you think that would be cool? They'll probably be automatic though. __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-17-07, 03:27 PM	#4
AirborneTD Engineer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 204 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I'm worried because every screenshot I've seen with a boat on the surface has them deployed. I really hope they are retracted (either auto or manual) when running on the surface. __________________ "You know, you might get surrounded." "We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded." --Band of Brothers

03-17-07, 04:42 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'm 99% sure it won't. From SHIII, the explanation the devs gave is that you play the captain of a sub - and a captain gives orders, he doesn't go grabbig all the manual controls. In a way, the explanation made sense to me, though sometimes I do wish for more manual control. However, I don't think we'll be getting it. I'm fine with that myself... __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-17-07, 04:58 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	World War Two subs weren't like modern ones, with a single 'pilot' controlling the ship. There were two planesmen, one for forward and one for aft planes, plus a helmsman to steer. It might be cool, but it's nowhere close to realistic. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-17-07, 05:26 PM	#9
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the replies guys. Although I kind of hope for some manual control I'm fine with them being auto as well. I do wonder if there was ever good reason for a Captain to give orders to rig in or rig out diving planes. :hmm: Cheers All __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-17-07, 02:58 PM	#2
Rip Commodore Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Right behind you! Posts: 643 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I would be thrilled with just the ability to change depth "smartly" causing the diving party to use steep angles.

03-17-07, 03:02 PM	#3
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	a very big deal !! I would be shocked if manual dive planes were omitted. Even SH I had them.

03-17-07, 05:24 PM	#8
Arrowhead2k1 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 112 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	The 'Captain' should atleast be able to request a steeper dive, shouldn't he?

03-17-07, 07:25 PM	#11
nattydread Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 498 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I dont really need to see manual dive planes, just the ability to order steeper dives and request trim in degrees of nose/tail up or down. I'd like to see steep dives be limited by experience and skill of the planesmen, so requesting and forcing too steep of a dive for a green crew could lead to the sub going out off control, or having problems leveling out at the desired depth, etc.

03-17-07, 07:35 PM	#12
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Sounds good to me nattydread. __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-17-07, 08:40 PM	#14
AirborneTD Engineer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 204 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Hehe. Nice, Schultzy, nice. __________________ "You know, you might get surrounded." "We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded." --Band of Brothers