Everyone talks about the Gato class, but what about the Balao class?

fastfed · 03-16-07, 07:40 AM

Just curious, I see many people talking about their first class sub they're going to take out, everyone says "GATO"

But why? Isn't the Balao a better sub? It was more advanced correct? so why the GATO?

also what about Tench class? is that in this game?

Anyway, thanks all, I guess I am just wondering what is the difference between the GATO AND BALAO CLASS, and why many are choosing the GATO over the Balao.

CaptainNemo · 03-16-07, 07:43 AM

I like the balao more than the gato because of the different conning tower.

Balao for the win!

Barkhorn1x · 03-16-07, 08:30 AM

The Gato was the first "modern" "Fleet" boat in US Navy inventory and was built in large numbers (73 units) - making it's impact on the war effort greater than any other class. The first Gato - which was THE Gato - made its first war patrol in April '42.

Now, if you wait for a Balao you will have to start patrolling in July of '43 as that was the date of Balao's first patrol.

Note = there could have been some ships of each class that were actually commissioned and wen on partrol before the class name boats - but you get the general idea.

hyperion2206 · 03-16-07, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

The Gato was the first "modern" "Fleet" boat in US Navy inventory and was built in large numbers (73 units) - making it's impact on the war effort greater than any other class. The first Gato - which was THE Gato - made its first war patrol in April '42.

Now, if you wait for a Balao you will have to start patrolling in July of '43 as that was the date of Balao's first patrol.

Note = there could have been some ships of each class that were actually commissioned and wen on partrol before the class name boats - but you get the general idea.

Because I don't want to wait until the fleet subs are available I will start with the older (crappier) subs like the S-class or Salmon class.

Subnuts · 03-16-07, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfed

But why? Isn't the Balao a better sub? It was more advanced correct? so why the GATO?

Probably because the first Gato entered service in January 1942, and the first Balao didn't enter service until February 1943.

dean_acheson · 03-16-07, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfed

But why? Isn't the Balao a better sub? It was more advanced correct? so why the GATO?

Probably because the first Gato entered service in January 1942, and the first Balao didn't enter service until February 1943.

true 'dat! I figure most people want to start at the beginning of the war. Which means GATO is SOTA (state of the art).....

Lord knows, I want to be at Cavite, and crank it up with a S boat and a whole load of Mark 10s! Mainly b/c I am crazy that way.

dean_acheson · 03-16-07, 09:47 AM

Oh, I think that the bridge is not specific to the Balao class, most Gatos got their bridges cut down once the war started.

OneTinSoldier · 03-16-07, 09:54 AM

How about a more superficial reason to go for using a Balao...

Because it was the sub(model) used in a movie I proudly own on DVD... 'Run Silent, Run Deep' with Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster!

Speaking for myself, I will actually start a campaign with whatever sub they requisition you to start out with in SHIV(S-Class?) and work my way up to bigger and better things, just like I always did in SH3. Well, sort of anyway. I would start out in the Type IIA in SH3 and go for 2 patrols in it, then I would edit my renown so that I had enough to get a Type VIIB and the crew for it.

Cheers

Sailor Steve · 03-16-07, 10:31 AM

Dean is right; the Gatos also had their fairwaters cut down during the course of the war. Just take a look at Captain Jack's Drum photo thread.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107626

Tigrone · 03-16-07, 12:17 PM

The Tenches did not enter service till late '44, and did not arrive in theater till 1945. Only a few of them made a limited number of war patrols. The ones that did make late war patrols distinguished themselves on lifeguard patrol.

shoot-kill-win · 03-16-07, 04:50 PM

Balaos also had a different style of radar than the gatos I believe.

AirborneTD · 03-16-07, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

The Gato was the first "modern" "Fleet" boat in US Navy inventory and was built in large numbers (73 units) - making it's impact on the war effort greater than any other class. The first Gato - which was THE Gato - made its first war patrol in April '42.

Not to nit pick, but the first Gato commissioned was the Drum (SS-228). It was the only Gato in commission on Dec 7, 41.

The Drum, Gato, Greenling and Silversides all started their first War Patrols from Pearl in Apr 42.

cappy70 · 03-17-07, 12:33 AM

sorry fastfed

Tigrone · 03-17-07, 12:50 AM

If you want to go all the way, first kill and most patrols, then a Salmon or a Sargo is for you. I like Searaven myself. If you want to go with the most successful boats, then a Tambor.

TheSatyr · 03-17-07, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shoot-kill-win

Balaos also had a different style of radar than the gatos I believe.

Actually,they didn't. All classes of subs,including the Salmons,Sargos,Tambors,Gatos,Balaos and Tench class would be refitted with the best available radar when they had the time to install it.

03-16-07, 07:40 AM	#1
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	Everyone talks about the Gato class, but what about the Balao class? Just curious, I see many people talking about their first class sub they're going to take out, everyone says "GATO" But why? Isn't the Balao a better sub? It was more advanced correct? so why the GATO? also what about Tench class? is that in this game? Anyway, thanks all, I guess I am just wondering what is the difference between the GATO AND BALAO CLASS, and why many are choosing the GATO over the Balao.

03-16-07, 07:43 AM	#2
CaptainNemo Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany/Essen Posts: 132 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I like the balao more than the gato because of the different conning tower. Balao for the win! __________________ www.acesofthedeep.com

03-16-07, 09:54 AM	#8
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	How about a more superficial reason to go for using a Balao... Because it was the sub(model) used in a movie I proudly own on DVD... 'Run Silent, Run Deep' with Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster! Speaking for myself, I will actually start a campaign with whatever sub they requisition you to start out with in SHIV(S-Class?) and work my way up to bigger and better things, just like I always did in SH3. Well, sort of anyway. I would start out in the Type IIA in SH3 and go for 2 patrols in it, then I would edit my renown so that I had enough to get a Type VIIB and the crew for it. Cheers __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day. Last edited by OneTinSoldier; 03-16-07 at 10:18 AM.

03-16-07, 10:31 AM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Dean is right; the Gatos also had their fairwaters cut down during the course of the war. Just take a look at Captain Jack's Drum photo thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107626 __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-16-07, 12:17 PM	#10
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	also what about Tench class? is that in this game? The Tenches did not enter service till late '44, and did not arrive in theater till 1945. Only a few of them made a limited number of war patrols. The ones that did make late war patrols distinguished themselves on lifeguard patrol. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

03-16-07, 08:30 AM	#3
Barkhorn1x Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Davie, FL Grid DM 23 Posts: 544 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	The Gato was the first "modern" "Fleet" boat in US Navy inventory and was built in large numbers (73 units) - making it's impact on the war effort greater than any other class. The first Gato - which was THE Gato - made its first war patrol in April '42. Now, if you wait for a Balao you will have to start patrolling in July of '43 as that was the date of Balao's first patrol. Note = there could have been some ships of each class that were actually commissioned and wen on partrol before the class name boats - but you get the general idea.

03-16-07, 09:47 AM	#7
dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Oh, I think that the bridge is not specific to the Balao class, most Gatos got their bridges cut down once the war started.

03-16-07, 04:50 PM	#11
shoot-kill-win Medic Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 164 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Balaos also had a different style of radar than the gatos I believe. __________________ U.S.S. Batfish "The champion Submarine-killing sub of WWII" Official tonnage: 12,332 Sank 3 subs in 3 days

03-17-07, 12:33 AM	#13
cappy70 Ensign Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: USA/Florida/Sweden Posts: 234 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	sorry fastfed __________________ Specs Windows 10 64 bit Pro Asus Z - 97A Intel I7-4790K 4 Ghz 16 Gig Trident Claw DDR 3 2 x 760 GTX 2048 mem in SLI. WD 1T Hd Ultra/WD Black 640 Corsair 850W PSU

03-17-07, 12:50 AM	#14
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Salmon, Sargo, and Tambor: beginning to end If you want to go all the way, first kill and most patrols, then a Salmon or a Sargo is for you. I like Searaven myself. If you want to go with the most successful boats, then a Tambor. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.