Once upon a time there was a gay prince

Skybird · 03-13-07, 06:58 PM

Is this really necessary...?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...471424,00.html

If nature doesn't turn the exception into the norm - political agendas can help that! We should have 33.3% heterosexual couples in society, 33.3% gay couples, and 33.3% lesbian couples - to display the EU's (or in tbis case: Britain's) moral superiority and super-perfect tolerance.

Nothing against homosexual people as long as they do not try to turn their difference into status and prestigious advantages or play up upon them. But why officially propagating homosexuality?

I'm sure we will not wait long before the EU picks up the British example. We already have anti-racism laws preventing to vote against ongoing immigration as enforced by governments on their people opposing this policy. We could have according sex-laws as well. Or maybe we can have obligatory "change-sexes!"-years at school, so that all teenagers must behave like homosexuals at the age of 15 or 16 so that they know how it feels and will tolerate it more afterwards.

The increasing absence of brain activity in political authorities and public offices surprises me time and again. Maybe they alraedy had their brains eaten up by a Martian parasite worm.

Morals leave quality, and go quantity instead.

Nothing beats the brothers Grimm, btw.

Happy Times · 03-13-07, 07:06 PM

Sick.

Skybird · 03-13-07, 07:10 PM

One or two more years, and I will take it as an insult if somebody would eventually call me "tolerant".

STEED · 03-13-07, 07:16 PM

This is a typical gay agenda and I am fed up with BS.

They also want primary schools to teach kids all about gay sex, in my book that's sick.

3Jane · 03-13-07, 07:34 PM

It's about damn time the socialy retarded actualy did move into the 21st century.

kiwi_2005 · 03-13-07, 07:44 PM

This is just pure madness.

THE_MASK · 03-13-07, 07:48 PM

If any teacher read that to my kids they had better watch out !!!!!!!!!!

TteFAboB · 03-13-07, 07:54 PM

The Penguin story is a lie. The male penguin eventually dropped his accomplice to join up with a sexy lady. That book is a fraud and if it continues to be propagated as a true story the author should be sued for false advertisement. There are enough cases of animal homossexuality out there to go about creating a false one.

Sex is irrelevant. Nobody should care about what another man does in his bed. The problem with this story of marrying princes is that it is another evidence that the Occident is loosing what it had built of most valuable: universalism.

An intransitive man that cannot be distinguished by class, race, sexual practice or religion. Not anymore. Before being considered a man, you must first affirm an identity: female, black, lesbian, gay, whatever.

We are walking towards a Medieval Age of identities. Each individual must seek his (mental) guild to install himself into and then start calling for special rights to his category.

More often than not these identities seek to affirm themselves against the majority. A real Democracy is the regime of the majority, protected from the minorities, that respects and protects these same minorities. These minorities are protected because they are inserted in universal rights.

Infiltrating schools with gay ideology is a complete loss of focus. From an universalist quest of teaching the average of human conquest, the school begins to seek who-knows-what under the guise of "repairing injustices".

When Social-Democracy corrodes itself it opens room for the destruction of these same minorities that contribute to its corrosion. In Muslim countries gays were and are killed. In Communist and Nazi countries gays were and are killed. In many third-world undemocratic countries gays are killed. Democracy is the only system where a gay can survive out of the closet, with noted exceptions. Yet, all homossexual organizations seek its destruction and pervertion into a fragile "democracy-of-he-who-shouts-louder".

Dig your own graves. The death of universalism will take us back in time like no time-machine could do.

Skybird · 03-13-07, 08:20 PM

Homosexuality exists. It even is not rare in the animal world. But it nevertheless is the exception from the rule, and an abberation in that understanding that evolution planned mammals and birds, I think also all reptiles, and most fishes to have two sexes that need to come together in order to create new life, and secure the survival of the species. seen that way, homosexuality may be tolerated, and must not be punished, but never it must be declared as a natural normality that stands equal in it's evolutionary meaning and natural function beside heterosexuality. I knew gay men, and it was not the smallest problem, neither for me, nor for them, that we worked together at university. I am no homophobe. And interestingly, the two gay guys I have in mind found the exhibitionist behavior and the neurotic blowing up of gayness by gay-activists as disgusting and distasteful as I did, and still do. I think most gays or lesbians probably just want to be left alone and avoid being put into the daily headlines by some hysteric activists being on a crusade against us "intolerant" heteros. I also think that a majority of them does not wish to see laws changed so that they have equal rights to raise children like heterosexual couples: mother and father. Which I also strongly oppose. If this would be like nature wanted things, it would have taken care of that long time ago, I assume. A homosexual couple is not a pack of wolves were the whole pack takes care of the youngsters if the parents get killed. So, to some degree homosexuals are like albinos. Both are real, both have a right to be, but both should not be considered to represent the norm of natural normality, or nature's intended goal. they are not.

I had no problem with all this - until it was turned into somebody's "agenda". By doing this, I and moderate, tolerant people like me get turned into people who feel so very much repelled and disgusted that they choose to turn into "radicals", "extremists", "intolerants", whatever - you name it.

Clever.

CCIP · 03-13-07, 08:35 PM

I have nothing against 'awareness' and 'tolerance', but I think we need to distinguish between that and propaganda. It's a fact that kids' can be impressionable and, rather than promoting tolerance to exceptional behaviours, this just normalizes them. Normalizing a behaviour that is and should be relatively exceptional is, by default, promotion; promotion to uncritical minds is propaganda.

The effort is better-spent putting the adult homophobes in their place (of which there are many more than pre-adolescent ones) instead of raising gay-friendly kids.

Again, don't get me wrong, I have several homosexual friends and colleagues whom I support, but you'll never see me waving any pink/rainbow flags around. I agree, the line should be drawn at 'agenda'.

Boris · 03-13-07, 08:47 PM

I'm usually a liberal kind of guy, but this is just stupid. This just sounds like homosexual recruitment to me. If someone is gay they will know it at some point in their life, kids don't need that kind of influence at a young age. These books could give kids the impression that there is some kind of a choice involved.

Letum · 03-13-07, 09:10 PM

I have nothing wrong with gay characters in children's books.
If its a good story than that's all the kids are bothered about.

It makes a interesting topic. Whats wrong with it?

ASWnut101 · 03-13-07, 09:15 PM

Some of these people (the people who are putting them in schools) just need to be beat back into reality with a bat. Unbeliveably sick, twisted, and did I mention sick? "Oh, the kids don't have a problem with it, just the parents" Well listen you stupid fa**ot (Mark), do you really think that these third grade and second grade kids actually have that complex thinking yet? You actually belive they can think for themselves at that level? You're still teaching them how to recite the alphabet, and yet you are trying to preach homosexuality to them?! That's brainwashing, if you ask me.

Looks as if Mark needs a good `ol fashioned A** whooping. I would like to lead the charge. Sick a** ******!

-ASW

CCIP · 03-13-07, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

I have nothing wrong with gay characters in children's books.
If its a good story than that's all the kids are bothered about.

It makes a interesting topic. Whats wrong with it?

As I said, I think it's the normalization and (possibly) glorification tendency. I hadn't read the book in question, of course, but I think taking an exceptional behaviour and presenting it to kids as norm can be problematic because kids are not smart enough to be critical about it.

I don't think socially that's a good thing. Mind you, I'm equally (if not more) opposed to religious instruction in early schooling for the very same reason.

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By the way, I have nothing against gay characters, don't read into it so much. I think they can be very educational! I am more wary of gay books as such, though. There's a fine ideological line there, I believe.

SUBMAN1 · 03-13-07, 10:03 PM

Quite simply a repeat of history - the moral decline of every society happens at some point in time. Gays have always been a part of it and always will. PC I think is another part of it. Quite simply put - the decline will continue until there is nothing left to fight for, nothing left to defend for, and this time I think it will be Islamic tribes instead of Germanic tribes that over-run what is left of our morally challenged society.

Make no mistake, no terrorist can do harm to our nations outside of a pinpr*ck. It is only us/we that will bring our great nations to its knees. The Islamic terrorists simply are the tiny mouse that push us over the edge.

Welcome to history all over again.

-S

03-13-07, 06:58 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,705 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Once upon a time there was a gay prince Is this really necessary...? http://www.spiegel.de/international/...471424,00.html If nature doesn't turn the exception into the norm - political agendas can help that! We should have 33.3% heterosexual couples in society, 33.3% gay couples, and 33.3% lesbian couples - to display the EU's (or in tbis case: Britain's) moral superiority and super-perfect tolerance. Nothing against homosexual people as long as they do not try to turn their difference into status and prestigious advantages or play up upon them. But why officially propagating homosexuality? I'm sure we will not wait long before the EU picks up the British example. We already have anti-racism laws preventing to vote against ongoing immigration as enforced by governments on their people opposing this policy. We could have according sex-laws as well. Or maybe we can have obligatory "change-sexes!"-years at school, so that all teenagers must behave like homosexuals at the age of 15 or 16 so that they know how it feels and will tolerate it more afterwards. The increasing absence of brain activity in political authorities and public offices surprises me time and again. Maybe they alraedy had their brains eaten up by a Martian parasite worm. Morals leave quality, and go quantity instead. Nothing beats the brothers Grimm, btw. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sick. __________________

03-13-07, 07:10 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,705 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One or two more years, and I will take it as an insult if somebody would eventually call me "tolerant". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-13-07, 07:16 PM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	This is a typical gay agenda and I am fed up with BS. They also want primary schools to teach kids all about gay sex, in my book that's sick. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 03-13-07 at 07:27 PM.

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3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's about damn time the socialy retarded actualy did move into the 21st century. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	This is just pure madness. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	If any teacher read that to my kids they had better watch out !!!!!!!!!!

03-13-07, 07:54 PM	#8
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The Penguin story is a lie. The male penguin eventually dropped his accomplice to join up with a sexy lady. That book is a fraud and if it continues to be propagated as a true story the author should be sued for false advertisement. There are enough cases of animal homossexuality out there to go about creating a false one. Sex is irrelevant. Nobody should care about what another man does in his bed. The problem with this story of marrying princes is that it is another evidence that the Occident is loosing what it had built of most valuable: universalism. An intransitive man that cannot be distinguished by class, race, sexual practice or religion. Not anymore. Before being considered a man, you must first affirm an identity: female, black, lesbian, gay, whatever. We are walking towards a Medieval Age of identities. Each individual must seek his (mental) guild to install himself into and then start calling for special rights to his category. More often than not these identities seek to affirm themselves against the majority. A real Democracy is the regime of the majority, protected from the minorities, that respects and protects these same minorities. These minorities are protected because they are inserted in universal rights. Infiltrating schools with gay ideology is a complete loss of focus. From an universalist quest of teaching the average of human conquest, the school begins to seek who-knows-what under the guise of "repairing injustices". When Social-Democracy corrodes itself it opens room for the destruction of these same minorities that contribute to its corrosion. In Muslim countries gays were and are killed. In Communist and Nazi countries gays were and are killed. In many third-world undemocratic countries gays are killed. Democracy is the only system where a gay can survive out of the closet, with noted exceptions. Yet, all homossexual organizations seek its destruction and pervertion into a fragile "democracy-of-he-who-shouts-louder". Dig your own graves. The death of universalism will take us back in time like no time-machine could do. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand Last edited by TteFAboB; 03-13-07 at 09:14 PM.

03-13-07, 08:20 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,705 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Homosexuality exists. It even is not rare in the animal world. But it nevertheless is the exception from the rule, and an abberation in that understanding that evolution planned mammals and birds, I think also all reptiles, and most fishes to have two sexes that need to come together in order to create new life, and secure the survival of the species. seen that way, homosexuality may be tolerated, and must not be punished, but never it must be declared as a natural normality that stands equal in it's evolutionary meaning and natural function beside heterosexuality. I knew gay men, and it was not the smallest problem, neither for me, nor for them, that we worked together at university. I am no homophobe. And interestingly, the two gay guys I have in mind found the exhibitionist behavior and the neurotic blowing up of gayness by gay-activists as disgusting and distasteful as I did, and still do. I think most gays or lesbians probably just want to be left alone and avoid being put into the daily headlines by some hysteric activists being on a crusade against us "intolerant" heteros. I also think that a majority of them does not wish to see laws changed so that they have equal rights to raise children like heterosexual couples: mother and father. Which I also strongly oppose. If this would be like nature wanted things, it would have taken care of that long time ago, I assume. A homosexual couple is not a pack of wolves were the whole pack takes care of the youngsters if the parents get killed. So, to some degree homosexuals are like albinos. Both are real, both have a right to be, but both should not be considered to represent the norm of natural normality, or nature's intended goal. they are not. I had no problem with all this - until it was turned into somebody's "agenda". By doing this, I and moderate, tolerant people like me get turned into people who feel so very much repelled and disgusted that they choose to turn into "radicals", "extremists", "intolerants", whatever - you name it. Clever. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-13-07, 08:35 PM	#10
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I have nothing against 'awareness' and 'tolerance', but I think we need to distinguish between that and propaganda. It's a fact that kids' can be impressionable and, rather than promoting tolerance to exceptional behaviours, this just normalizes them. Normalizing a behaviour that is and should be relatively exceptional is, by default, promotion; promotion to uncritical minds is propaganda. The effort is better-spent putting the adult homophobes in their place (of which there are many more than pre-adolescent ones) instead of raising gay-friendly kids. Again, don't get me wrong, I have several homosexual friends and colleagues whom I support, but you'll never see me waving any pink/rainbow flags around. I agree, the line should be drawn at 'agenda'. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-13-07, 08:47 PM	#11
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I'm usually a liberal kind of guy, but this is just stupid. This just sounds like homosexual recruitment to me. If someone is gay they will know it at some point in their life, kids don't need that kind of influence at a young age. These books could give kids the impression that there is some kind of a choice involved.

03-13-07, 09:10 PM	#12
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I have nothing wrong with gay characters in children's books. If its a good story than that's all the kids are bothered about. It makes a interesting topic. Whats wrong with it? __________________

03-13-07, 09:15 PM	#13
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Some of these people (the people who are putting them in schools) just need to be beat back into reality with a bat. Unbeliveably sick, twisted, and did I mention sick? "Oh, the kids don't have a problem with it, just the parents" Well listen you stupid faot (Mark), do you really think that these third grade and second grade kids actually have that complex thinking yet? You actually belive they can think for themselves at that level? You're still teaching them how to recite the alphabet, and yet you are trying to preach homosexuality to them?! That's brainwashing, if you ask me. Looks as if Mark needs a good `ol fashioned A whooping. I would like to lead the charge. Sick a ****! -ASW __________________

03-13-07, 10:03 PM	#15
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Quite simply a repeat of history - the moral decline of every society happens at some point in time. Gays have always been a part of it and always will. PC I think is another part of it. Quite simply put - the decline will continue until there is nothing left to fight for, nothing left to defend for, and this time I think it will be Islamic tribes instead of Germanic tribes that over-run what is left of our morally challenged society. Make no mistake, no terrorist can do harm to our nations outside of a pinpr*ck. It is only us/we that will bring our great nations to its knees. The Islamic terrorists simply are the tiny mouse that push us over the edge. Welcome to history all over again. -S __________________