SH4 Sub. Vs Sub.

GV_Darkata · 10-27-06, 06:09 AM

IN SH4 it is POSSIBLE TO FIGHT ALSO SUB. VS SUB?
I HOPE SO MUCH OF
CIAO UN SALUTO A TUTTI DA GV_Darkata (secondo a nessuno)

TDK1044 · 10-27-06, 06:20 AM

You would be able to shoot a torp at a Japanese sub you spotted on the surface, but in terms of a submerged battle...no this will not be a part of SH4.

Torplexed · 10-27-06, 06:21 AM

So far I don't think it has been confirmed that there even are any Japanese subs in SH4. However, I recall the sinking of Japanese subs in SH1 was a rather dull affair. They just sailed placidly along until you put a torpedo in 'em. They didn't try and submerge even if you missed or had a premature detonation. If there are Japanese subs I hope they are a little more awake.

JU_88 · 10-27-06, 12:48 PM

Lets hope they do have other subs this time, SH3 was kinda let down badly by that. At the moment the DEvs have said that AI subs are desirable but not essential, so if time allows they hope to include them. If they do lets hope they are smart enough to conduct submerged attacks etc.

You know there was one instance during WW2, where a British V class sub sunk a German IXD2 Uboat with a spread of torpedos while both vessels were submerged - the only instance of this ever happening in all of naval history.

Safe-Keeper · 10-27-06, 02:42 PM

According to the developers, no. You can, however, take command of a group of escort ships and pit them against player subs.

Safe-Keeper · 10-27-06, 02:47 PM

According to the developers, no. You can, however, take command of a group of escort ships and pit them against player subs.

JU_88 · 10-27-06, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

According to the developers, no. You can, however, take command of a group of escort ships and pit them against player subs.

Are you sure he taking about Multiplayer? I just assumed he was asking if he could meet other subs in campaign mode, as SH is really not an MP focussed type of game.

GV_Darkata · 10-31-06, 04:36 AM

battle sub. vs sub. in multiplayer sh3 is good

UMAN VS UMAN NO STUPID "IA"
EVERY EVENING IN UBI WE PLAY

QUESTI SONO I "GENTILUOMINI DI VENTURA" AD ESEMPIO

1mPHUNit0 · 11-17-06, 02:13 PM

Hey Darky ...still live?
heheheheh

peterloo · 11-18-06, 07:21 AM

Do you remember that in SH2, there is once a single mission to ask you to destroy a British sub (That should be Clyde, if I'm right). If you guys are lucky, you may be able to sink it with a spread of torp @ periscope depth. However, at most cases, you need to submerge, follow its sonar contacts [it also submerges as well), and wait for it to surface and give him a kiss of fish after running out of battery / ram it until it is wasted

Also, we won't have Japanese subs, as said as the Dev Team

Futhermore, if your sub is close to the Japanese sub, and you found that it is a KAMIKAZE sub. It moves towards you, and detonate its 600kg (for Kairyu type midget sub) / 1550kg (for Kaiten human torpedo) warhead, and then ...

joejccva · 12-01-06, 10:01 AM

You know I could never figure this out. Sure it's nice to be able to sneak up on enemy destroyers and other ships, and blow them to pieces, but in SH3 I was wondering why we could never have sub vs sub submerged combat. It seemed like it would make sense so I was thinking.."well...it will happen in SH4".

Now I hear that there won't be any sub vs sub battles in SH4 now. Ummm am I missing something here? Shouldn't this have been the very FIRST thing UBI made into this new game? I really hope that SH4 isn't SH3 with just prettier graphics. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

Corsair · 12-01-06, 10:20 AM

SH3 is aimed at the battle for the Atlantic where the main task of german subs was to disrupt merchant traffic and nothing else. With the mods available from the community (and the much awaited GWX coming soon) I think imho that SH3 will be right on the spot and a fantastic experience.
During WW2 the purpose of subs was not to hunt other subs. If I want to do sub hunting, I shoot up DW...

I don't have at hand the stat on how many subs were actually sunk by another sub during WWII, but I would guess it must be a very low figure as I never read about any. (But I am not a Pacific specialist and not much interested by this theater besides carrier operations)

Nightmare · 12-01-06, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by joejccva

You know I could never figure this out. Sure it's nice to be able to sneak up on enemy destroyers and other ships, and blow them to pieces, but in SH3 I was wondering why we could never have sub vs sub submerged combat. It seemed like it would make sense so I was thinking.."well...it will happen in SH4".

Now I hear that there won't be any sub vs sub battles in SH4 now. Ummm am I missing something here? Shouldn't this have been the very FIRST thing UBI made into this new game? I really hope that SH4 isn't SH3 with just prettier graphics. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

You are going to be greatly disappointed with SH4 then. It’s going to be SH3 with improved graphics in the Pacific with the US Submarines. Game play will be the same with some tweaks

Submarines of WW2 simply not engage each other submerged. Sonar was still a relatively new technology. Submarines of this era were designed to attack shipping and surface warships, not destroy other submarines. They simply didn’t have the technology to do it successfully. There was only one instance where another submarines successfully sunk another submerged submarines (read JU-88’s response), and it was more of dumb luck than anything else. It just did not happen. Historically speaking submarines engagements were where one sub caught the other one on the surface with its pants down.

U-5000 · 12-01-06, 01:23 PM

If you guys want to battle subs underwater maybe you ought to get Dangerous Waters this is where sub battles were fought. WW2 was a era not designed for this type of action, and I really don't understand why you would even care for this anyway.

AG124 · 12-01-06, 02:23 PM

Well, in terms of SHIII, the biggest problem with not having AI subs is that without them, there can be no wolfpacks and true mik cows. (There is a milk cow mod, and it is brilliant, but it's just not the same as actually having a real AI unit).

In SHIV, the previous two issues are not problems - there were no US milk cows and only limited wolfpack activity. However, there were some US wolfpacks, and many Japanese subs were sunk on the surface by US submarines (although only the US sub Corvina was sunk by a Japanese counterpart). I can understand how this would be very important for some players.

Personally, I would like to see AI programmed subs in SHIII (not going to happen now though), but I don't really care that much in SHIV, as I am more interested in sinking surface shipping anyway.

10-27-06, 06:09 AM	#1
GV_Darkata Watch Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 25 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	SH4 Sub. Vs Sub. IN SH4 it is POSSIBLE TO FIGHT ALSO SUB. VS SUB? I HOPE SO MUCH OF CIAO UN SALUTO A TUTTI DA GV_Darkata (secondo a nessuno)

10-27-06, 06:21 AM	#3
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	So far I don't think it has been confirmed that there even are any Japanese subs in SH4. However, I recall the sinking of Japanese subs in SH1 was a rather dull affair. They just sailed placidly along until you put a torpedo in 'em. They didn't try and submerge even if you missed or had a premature detonation. If there are Japanese subs I hope they are a little more awake. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

10-27-06, 02:42 PM	#5
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	According to the developers, no. You can, however, take command of a group of escort ships and pit them against player subs. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

10-27-06, 02:47 PM	#6
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	According to the developers, no. You can, however, take command of a group of escort ships and pit them against player subs. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

10-31-06, 04:36 AM	#8
GV_Darkata Watch Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 25 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	battle sub. vs sub. in multiplayer sh3 is good UMAN VS UMAN NO STUPID "IA" EVERY EVENING IN UBI WE PLAY QUESTI SONO I "GENTILUOMINI DI VENTURA" AD ESEMPIO Last edited by GV_Darkata; 03-08-07 at 02:21 PM.

10-27-06, 06:20 AM	#2
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	You would be able to shoot a torp at a Japanese sub you spotted on the surface, but in terms of a submerged battle...no this will not be a part of SH4.

10-27-06, 12:48 PM	#4
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Lets hope they do have other subs this time, SH3 was kinda let down badly by that. At the moment the DEvs have said that AI subs are desirable but not essential, so if time allows they hope to include them. If they do lets hope they are smart enough to conduct submerged attacks etc. You know there was one instance during WW2, where a British V class sub sunk a German IXD2 Uboat with a spread of torpedos while both vessels were submerged - the only instance of this ever happening in all of naval history.

11-17-06, 02:13 PM	#9
1mPHUNit0 Chief Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 313 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Hey Darky ...still live? heheheheh

11-18-06, 07:21 AM	#10
peterloo Commander Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 462 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Sub vs Sub? impossible with WWII technology Do you remember that in SH2, there is once a single mission to ask you to destroy a British sub (That should be Clyde, if I'm right). If you guys are lucky, you may be able to sink it with a spread of torp @ periscope depth. However, at most cases, you need to submerge, follow its sonar contacts [it also submerges as well), and wait for it to surface and give him a kiss of fish after running out of battery / ram it until it is wasted Also, we won't have Japanese subs, as said as the Dev Team Futhermore, if your sub is close to the Japanese sub, and you found that it is a KAMIKAZE sub. It moves towards you, and detonate its 600kg (for Kairyu type midget sub) / 1550kg (for Kaiten human torpedo) warhead, and then ...

12-01-06, 10:01 AM	#11
joejccva Mate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 56 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You know I could never figure this out. Sure it's nice to be able to sneak up on enemy destroyers and other ships, and blow them to pieces, but in SH3 I was wondering why we could never have sub vs sub submerged combat. It seemed like it would make sense so I was thinking.."well...it will happen in SH4". Now I hear that there won't be any sub vs sub battles in SH4 now. Ummm am I missing something here? Shouldn't this have been the very FIRST thing UBI made into this new game? I really hope that SH4 isn't SH3 with just prettier graphics. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

12-01-06, 10:20 AM	#12
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	SH3 is aimed at the battle for the Atlantic where the main task of german subs was to disrupt merchant traffic and nothing else. With the mods available from the community (and the much awaited GWX coming soon) I think imho that SH3 will be right on the spot and a fantastic experience. During WW2 the purpose of subs was not to hunt other subs. If I want to do sub hunting, I shoot up DW... I don't have at hand the stat on how many subs were actually sunk by another sub during WWII, but I would guess it must be a very low figure as I never read about any. (But I am not a Pacific specialist and not much interested by this theater besides carrier operations) __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

12-01-06, 01:23 PM	#14
U-5000 Gunner Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 93 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	If you guys want to battle subs underwater maybe you ought to get Dangerous Waters this is where sub battles were fought. WW2 was a era not designed for this type of action, and I really don't understand why you would even care for this anyway.

12-01-06, 02:23 PM	#15
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	AI Subs Well, in terms of SHIII, the biggest problem with not having AI subs is that without them, there can be no wolfpacks and true mik cows. (There is a milk cow mod, and it is brilliant, but it's just not the same as actually having a real AI unit). In SHIV, the previous two issues are not problems - there were no US milk cows and only limited wolfpack activity. However, there were some US wolfpacks, and many Japanese subs were sunk on the surface by US submarines (although only the US sub Corvina was sunk by a Japanese counterpart). I can understand how this would be very important for some players. Personally, I would like to see AI programmed subs in SHIII (not going to happen now though), but I don't really care that much in SHIV, as I am more interested in sinking surface shipping anyway. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html