DirectX engine

bechmads · 01-29-07, 03:21 AM

Hey all subfreaks(including myself)

I was just wondering which DirectX engine SH4 will demand? do any of you know that? I personally think that Ubisoft wants everybody to be able to play the game which means that they'll just use the DirectX 9.0c.

See all of you in the pacific

StandingCow · 01-29-07, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bechmads

Hey all subfreaks(including myself)

I was just wondering which DirectX engine SH4 will demand? do any of you know that? I personally think that Ubisoft wants everybody to be able to play the game which means that they'll just use the DirectX 9.0c.

See all of you in the pacific

Oh, I feel safe in saying, absolutely. The DX10 boom hasn't started yet.

TDK1044 · 01-29-07, 07:04 AM

I agree. Silent Hunter 4 is a Direct X 9.0 game.

GSpector · 01-29-07, 07:55 AM

Keep your eyes out for DX9L. This will be a stripped down version of DX10 but made for XP.

This will allow players to take advantage of some of the DX10 features without having to upgrade to VISTA

TDK1044 · 01-29-07, 08:20 AM

Yes. My understanding is that Vista isn't initially being released with DX10, but DX9 Longhorn. I think that DX9L is essentially an updated version of DX9 that supports Vista's Aeroglass.

Gizzmoe · 01-29-07, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GSpector

Keep your eyes out for DX9L. This will be a stripped down version of DX10 but made for XP.

This will allow players to take advantage of some of the DX10 features without having to upgrade to VISTA

Unfortunately that´s not true:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=26

GSpector · 01-29-07, 11:55 AM

Hello,

True enough,

I just read from M$ Rep that DX 9.0Ex (was known as DX9.0L) will NOT be available for XP after all. M$ is standing behind the wish to have everyone upgrade to VISTA by not allowing DX10 games to run on XP.

Good news for those that want Crysis, it is designed for DX 8,9 & 10

I could find no proof that M$ has any interest in upgrading DX for XP

AJ! · 01-29-07, 12:10 PM

Mircosoft are being quite brutal with their jump to Vista...

Many games are being made exclusive for Vista with no XP compatible version.

Bill seems like quite an evil guy... apparantly he stole the whole personal computer idea from some one, and there was a video on youtube about the complete rip off Vista did on Macs OS

fredbass · 01-29-07, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ!

Mircosoft are being quite brutal with their jump to Vista...

Many games are being made exclusive for Vista with no XP compatible version.

Bill seems like quite an evil guy... apparantly he stole the whole personal computer idea from some one, and there was a video on youtube about the complete rip off Vista did on Macs OS

It's just a comical look at comparing the similarities between Mac OS X and Vista. Nothing else really. Actually Microsoft did the right thing by making Vista similar.

And I really couldn't care less who gets the credit as long as the right changes are made.

bookworm_020 · 01-29-07, 05:03 PM

Vista is proof that Apple is at the front of GUI design and useablity! All thoese who bought Vista better be ready for the first lot of patches!!!

fredbass · 01-29-07, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Vista is proof that Apple is at the front of GUI design and useablity! All thoese who bought Vista better be ready for the first lot of patches!!!

I don't mind installing patches.

.

Though it won't cost me anything to get it, I'm going to wait a little while.

Potoroo · 01-29-07, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GSpector

I just read from M$ Rep that DX 9.0Ex (was known as DX9.0L) will NOT be available for XP after all.

It was never going to be. That rumour was started by an online tech web site and retracted the next day. I posted the links in here ages ago.

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M$ is standing behind the wish to have everyone upgrade to VISTA by not allowing DX10 games to run on XP.

DX10 is not just DX9 with a couple of extra features. It's part of a significantly different graphics/OS architecture. It is not the simple bolt-on job too many people simply assume it would be. DX10 on XP would require major surgery.

nightdagger · 01-29-07, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ!

Mircosoft are being quite brutal with their jump to Vista...

Many games are being made exclusive for Vista with no XP compatible version.

Bill seems like quite an evil guy... apparantly he stole the whole personal computer idea from some one, and there was a video on youtube about the complete rip off Vista did on Macs OS

Umm...Bill Gates didn't "steal" the idea. He payed the developer for the idea and used his marketing ski11z to get rich. Most of the things that he "ripped off" of OSX were ripped from something even earlier and are ubiquitous. The only difference is that now you won't have to install a 3rd party app to get widgets, for example.

And as Potoroo said, the DX9.0L for XP was just a guess and it was wrong.

DirectX isn't the engine in any case, it's the framework for the engine. An engine might be like the Unreal 3 engine built on DX10.

GSpector · 01-29-07, 10:16 PM

M$ has always taken ideas from others. Lotus 123 was a good spreadsheet app back in the 70's, and Bill Gates took that without permission and changed it somewhat. The creators of LOTUS 123 could not afford to fight it in court so they let it go.

Bill Gates really got his start with IBM creating IBM's DOS. Then changed it to MS-DOS taking it from IBM. Of course IBM's biggest mistake (and our benefit) was that they made the PC "Open architecture" allowing others to make changes and yet keep many things the same for compatibility purposes. Apple did not do this with any of there systems.

The Graphics User System M$ started using on Windows 3.1 was taken from Xerox when they saw a Xerox machine prototype that used a GUI system that they decided not to push forward with. M$ was not even there to see it, they were there to sell there systems only.

I have no doubt VISTA has similarities with MACs. M$ has had an on again off again relationship with them since they were both created. And Mr. Gates has always taken without giving. It was only a couple years ago that they finally merged. Anyone remember when INTEL "Moved out of the Box" campaign?

Any surprise now that there are similarities with MACs?

As far as fair practice, if you are planning on upgrading to VI$TA, I hope you don't have a Sound Blaster Audigy Card. Seems M$ wants to blame Creative for getting there codes to them sooner. As apposed to M$ supplying Creative with VI$TA with the OS so they would know how to create the drivers.

If I am not mistaken M$ is having legal issue in the UK about VI$TA having illegal methods in the software and with M$ trying to redo the entire internet by controling how information is used. MS wants to get rid of the HTML format in favor of their new format. Sun Microsystem is going to have a fun time with this.

For those with LINUX, the new DX10 video card WILL NOT WORK. DX10 Graphics Card are not and will not be compatible with any os other then VI$TA.

geetrue · 01-30-07, 01:30 AM

So, a $150 for Vista to play a DX10 game, plus a miniumn of $300 for a DX10 pcie video card
(agp is out of the question) meaning if you don't already have a pcie capable motherboard that
will be another $100 bump ...

Say $500 to play a $50 game ... not me, no siree ...
I gotta eat and pay the rent every month ...

Didn't XP have problems till sp1 and sp2 came out?

I'll wait ... thank you for SH4 it's all I need till they get the kinks out of Vista

01-29-07, 03:21 AM	#1
bechmads Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	DirectX engine Hey all subfreaks(including myself) I was just wondering which DirectX engine SH4 will demand? do any of you know that? I personally think that Ubisoft wants everybody to be able to play the game which means that they'll just use the DirectX 9.0c. See all of you in the pacific

01-29-07, 07:55 AM	#4
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Keep your eyes out for DX9L. This will be a stripped down version of DX10 but made for XP. This will allow players to take advantage of some of the DX10 features without having to upgrade to VISTA __________________ Specter

01-29-07, 11:55 AM	#7
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Hello, True enough, I just read from M$ Rep that DX 9.0Ex (was known as DX9.0L) will NOT be available for XP after all. M$ is standing behind the wish to have everyone upgrade to VISTA by not allowing DX10 games to run on XP. Good news for those that want Crysis, it is designed for DX 8,9 & 10 I could find no proof that M$ has any interest in upgrading DX for XP __________________ Specter

01-29-07, 12:10 PM	#8
AJ! Commodore Join Date: May 2006 Location: That lil island above france Posts: 601 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Mircosoft are being quite brutal with their jump to Vista... Many games are being made exclusive for Vista with no XP compatible version. Bill seems like quite an evil guy... apparantly he stole the whole personal computer idea from some one, and there was a video on youtube about the complete rip off Vista did on Macs OS __________________

01-29-07, 05:03 PM	#10
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Vista is proof that Apple is at the front of GUI design and useablity! All thoese who bought Vista better be ready for the first lot of patches!!! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

01-29-07, 07:04 AM	#3
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I agree. Silent Hunter 4 is a Direct X 9.0 game.

01-29-07, 08:20 AM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Yes. My understanding is that Vista isn't initially being released with DX10, but DX9 Longhorn. I think that DX9L is essentially an updated version of DX9 that supports Vista's Aeroglass.

01-29-07, 10:16 PM	#14
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	M$ has always taken ideas from others. Lotus 123 was a good spreadsheet app back in the 70's, and Bill Gates took that without permission and changed it somewhat. The creators of LOTUS 123 could not afford to fight it in court so they let it go. Bill Gates really got his start with IBM creating IBM's DOS. Then changed it to MS-DOS taking it from IBM. Of course IBM's biggest mistake (and our benefit) was that they made the PC "Open architecture" allowing others to make changes and yet keep many things the same for compatibility purposes. Apple did not do this with any of there systems. The Graphics User System M$ started using on Windows 3.1 was taken from Xerox when they saw a Xerox machine prototype that used a GUI system that they decided not to push forward with. M$ was not even there to see it, they were there to sell there systems only. I have no doubt VISTA has similarities with MACs. M$ has had an on again off again relationship with them since they were both created. And Mr. Gates has always taken without giving. It was only a couple years ago that they finally merged. Anyone remember when INTEL "Moved out of the Box" campaign? Any surprise now that there are similarities with MACs? As far as fair practice, if you are planning on upgrading to VI$TA, I hope you don't have a Sound Blaster Audigy Card. Seems M$ wants to blame Creative for getting there codes to them sooner. As apposed to M$ supplying Creative with VI$TA with the OS so they would know how to create the drivers. If I am not mistaken M$ is having legal issue in the UK about VI$TA having illegal methods in the software and with M$ trying to redo the entire internet by controling how information is used. MS wants to get rid of the HTML format in favor of their new format. Sun Microsystem is going to have a fun time with this. For those with LINUX, the new DX10 video card WILL NOT WORK. DX10 Graphics Card are not and will not be compatible with any os other then VI$TA. __________________ Specter

01-30-07, 01:30 AM	#15
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	So, a $150 for Vista to play a DX10 game, plus a miniumn of $300 for a DX10 pcie video card (agp is out of the question) meaning if you don't already have a pcie capable motherboard that will be another $100 bump ... Say $500 to play a $50 game ... not me, no siree ... I gotta eat and pay the rent every month ... Didn't XP have problems till sp1 and sp2 came out? I'll wait ... thank you for SH4 it's all I need till they get the kinks out of Vista __________________