Run away lorry and why im getting dismissed

[Kapitan]

Well today i finaly find out that im up for dismissal heres the facts.

While going up a steep hill we parked the dust cart / trash truck in the road as per normal, now the weather was very bad snow and ice every where.
the driver put the hand brake on but not long after we left the truck it started slidding down the hill. (uhoh not good and dead right it isnt)

So now we have a 26 tonne run away truck that we are chasing after like a couple of lemons, going down hill getting faster and faster (you might as well had put ski's on it) but eventualy it hit a ford fiesta and mangled it up (not surprising) it then went on to hit a much larger car a ford mondeo and again smashed it up pretty good.

Finaly it hit a S type Jaguar again doing alot of damage, before it went up a small ramp through a wooden fence and sliding up a small garden hitting the washing line, (which we later found wrapped around the back axle).

What we didnt see was the fact that the bin lift had smashed a window on a double glazed door (oh dear indeed), so far all 3 cars are confirmed write off's all the electrics and sensors for the bin lift the hydraulics and the bin lift itself is mangled and will cost to repair.

Estimated damage cost £120,000

Damage to the truck:

One new bin lift with automated sensors presure pads and rams £50,000
To have the hopper re aligned and if possible panel beated out £11,200 failure of that a whole new hopper at £13,600
new back axle £4,300
Fine for being 2.420 tonnes over wieght £950

(the truck is licenced to take upto 26 tonnes on the wiegh bridge it was 28.420 tonnes a whole 2.42 tonnes over wieght!)

Now the argument we have is the road itself should have been gritted, brakes should have been checked on the service it had 8 months before hand, and the fact there was no one in the lorry while it was in motion.

There side is: we caused the damage through what can be seen as negligence, and negligent acts that could harm members of the public, the fact we dissmissed our right to refuse to clear a road because of possible dangers and unforseen hazards, the fact the viachle was over wieght at the time of the incident, and that some one must stay with the viachle to at least control the viachle if something like this occurs.

All 3 of us have been suspended without pay and its looking likely that we are loosing our jobs over this, we just have to wait and see what the unions say.

[bradclark1]

Honest opinion! Driver should have should have known better and is responsible. Lucky it wasn't involuntary manslaughter.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Honest opinion! Driver should have should have known better and is responsible. Lucky it wasn't involuntary manslaughter.

Yea, my question there is... why did the driver leave a 28t truck parked on what you describe as a 'steep hill' in less-than-ideal conditions and exit the vehicle?

[fatty]

This sounds pretty awesome, did it make the news? I admit I winced when I read about the Jag

But yes, I have to agree that it is difficult to imagine leaving a 28 tonne truck parked on an icy hill as being a sensible idea.

PS: congrats to self on becoming a seaman, yesssssssssssss

[SUBMAN1]

Wow. The driver is responsible. However, that doesn't make you responsible. Not sure why you are involved in this over that, unless you were the driver of course.

-S

[fatty]

Kap mentioned negligence, so I guess it would depend on if he or his buddy neglected to take preventive action or at least point out the danger of the situation to the driver.

[jumpy]

Driver should know this and not be the responsibility of co-workers to point out fault.

As far as being over weight... how are you to know unless the vehicle has some kind of onbord sensor?

But really the council is remiss in gritting the road propperly if it was icey.


I can well imagine their respone to you refusing to collect from a road you considered dangerous because of ice and snow... bet they'd try and dismiss you or make your life difficult for refusing to work... ok maybe there'd be no damage to property but you can bet your ass that as soon as a member of the public complains their rubbish was not collected, the shift who's round it ought to be are gonna get it in the neck from their manager for not doing the job.

[TteFAboB]

Sounds like the Lorry of Doom, Death and Destruction! :rotfl:
I'd like to have seen it, I like Demolition Derbies.

Anyway, it's not only the driver's and city council's fault. You don't park a Type S Jaguar outside and you definitely don't leave it out in the rain.

Wish you the best Kaptain.

[Iceman]

Sounds like what we call "An Act Of God"...**** happens...this is what insurance is for...and good point about the county/state not having gravel on the road etc...if they can admit they're fault it should simply be dismissed as an unforseeable accident..again this is what insurance is for...go after the state...I hope your union hangs tough with you....but there is one butt...if you the "Responsible" driver should/could have seen a potential hazzard then you I say "are" at fault..but again...insurance....not a firable offense just an accident....damn hope you come out all right.

[Kapitan]

All we were doing was collectiong bags of green waste, the driver was helping us as he normaly does its not an uncommon thing, we just wanted to get to the tip early as does every one and we were quite far ahead untill this.

We didnt refuse the road as we would have been sent back to to it later the same day to go and collect so we couldnt win and we would get a bollacking for not doing it, in reality we dont have the right to refuse to do a road.

The brake itself should have been adequate to stop the viechle, and it was.

The reason the council probably didnt grit that road is because its not a major road, and only 46 houses on the road.

Also im negligent for allowing the lorry to enter the road as i should have said it is too dangerous to stop the viechle.
But again if i had said no to doing the road we would have been sent back and forced to do it later in the day so the same thing may have happend.

As to making the press yes it made the metro on friday and also the london lite (i think it made london lite not sure though).

[The Avon Lady]

Well, it's either the merchant marine or the foreign legion for you now, Kap! :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

Kap, are you sure your garbage truck didn't slide all the way to Minnesota? :hmm:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by fatty

This sounds pretty awesome, did it make the news? I admit I winced when I read about the Jag

I didnt. I laughed. It means some rich duffer needs to pay another £20,000 for a new one


Nice one Kapitan, at least it was done with style

[mog]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Nice one Kapitan, at least it was done with style

I agree. If you're going to get fired from a job, it might as well be for a spectacular 120 000 quid disaster.

[STEED]

I'm not sure of the rules and regulations here as each council have slightly different rules, personally Kap I would not gone up that hill and the council should had grit the road. If it goes all legal in to the courts you should fight the council all the way, as we all know councils are scum of the earth and don't give a toss about the council tax payer.