When a cargo ship becomes a submarine

don1reed · 01-18-07, 01:12 PM

...and btw...

this is on Lake Superior in November...

ot: gives you an idea what happened to the, Edmund Fitzgerald:

Jimbuna · 01-18-07, 01:15 PM

Brings back memories of when I was in the navy in the late seventies...in very adverse weather conditions you would see the bow of the ship go under the surface and sometimes it could take 20 or so seconds for it to appear again

don1reed · 01-18-07, 01:22 PM

a good reason to stand clear of the "bull nose", hey jim?

Jimbuna · 01-18-07, 01:28 PM

Roger that mate

danurve · 01-18-07, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Brings back memories of when I was in the navy in the late seventies...in very adverse weather conditions you would see the bow of the ship go under the surface and sometimes it could take 20 or so seconds for it to appear again

You could make a flight of stairs in 3 steps if you timed it right.

Deamon · 01-18-07, 02:43 PM

This is an Atlantic storm right ?

don1reed · 01-18-07, 03:11 PM

No, this is, Lake Superior, very cold, fresh water. There was always some minor animosity between fresh and salt water sailors...I never understood why. From a physical standpoint, each kind of liquid can drown a man just as dead.

lesrae · 01-18-07, 03:29 PM

I suppose it beats swabbing the decks

Deamon · 01-18-07, 03:34 PM

So violent storms on a lake ?!

How big is that ship ?

Bort · 01-18-07, 07:56 PM

The Great Lakes can be extremely dangerous, shipwrecks litter the bottoms of all of the lakes, and have most often been caused by misjudging the weather, which can get very very bad as you can see from the pictures. Also, the Lakes can act in ways not normally seen in the oceans, in Lake Michigan a sort of lake tsunami called a Seiche has killed plenty of people both on the shore and on the water. Ice is also a big issue in the winter, the Canadian and US Coast Guards both maintain a big icebreaker on the lakes to facilitate shipping and the USCG also maintains a few smaller tugs and bouy tenders that can break ice as well.

Brrrr!!

Camaero · 01-19-07, 11:09 AM

Damn, that is one mean lake.

Sailor Steve · 01-19-07, 12:24 PM

Here are links to the Edmund Fitzgerald, which Don1reed mentioned in his first post.

The ship and her story (plus some others):
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/fitz.html

The lyrics:
http://home.pacbell.net/chabpyne/lyrics.html

Listen to the song:
http://www.corfid.com/gl/wreck.htm

And a photo plus an explanation of the lyrics:
http://www.europa.com/~random7/fitz.htm

kurtz · 01-19-07, 12:37 PM

IIRC (which I often don't) Convoy PQ17 had 3 'Lakers' which transferred from lake Superior and sailed for England, can't remember if they got there and can't find any of my books

. (needed one for the French big gun sub on another thread)

bandi · 01-19-07, 01:07 PM

[edit]... removed to meet forum standards... cheers...

Abraham · 01-20-07, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by don1reed

"Dive! Dive! Dive!"

01-18-07, 01:12 PM	#1
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	When a cargo ship becomes a submarine ...and btw... this is on Lake Superior in November... ot: gives you an idea what happened to the, Edmund Fitzgerald: __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

01-18-07, 01:15 PM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,478 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Brings back memories of when I was in the navy in the late seventies...in very adverse weather conditions you would see the bow of the ship go under the surface and sometimes it could take 20 or so seconds for it to appear again __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-18-07, 01:22 PM	#3
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	a good reason to stand clear of the "bull nose", hey jim? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

01-18-07, 01:28 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,478 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Roger that mate __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-18-07, 03:11 PM	#7
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	No, this is, Lake Superior, very cold, fresh water. There was always some minor animosity between fresh and salt water sailors...I never understood why. From a physical standpoint, each kind of liquid can drown a man just as dead. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

01-18-07, 02:43 PM	#6
Deamon Commodore Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 642 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	This is an Atlantic storm right ?

01-18-07, 03:29 PM	#8
lesrae Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, UK. Posts: 932 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I suppose it beats swabbing the decks __________________ DOLPHIN 38

01-18-07, 03:34 PM	#9
Deamon Commodore Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 642 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	So violent storms on a lake ?! How big is that ship ?

01-18-07, 07:56 PM	#10
Bort Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Studying in Atlanta Posts: 919 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	The Great Lakes can be extremely dangerous, shipwrecks litter the bottoms of all of the lakes, and have most often been caused by misjudging the weather, which can get very very bad as you can see from the pictures. Also, the Lakes can act in ways not normally seen in the oceans, in Lake Michigan a sort of lake tsunami called a Seiche has killed plenty of people both on the shore and on the water. Ice is also a big issue in the winter, the Canadian and US Coast Guards both maintain a big icebreaker on the lakes to facilitate shipping and the USCG also maintains a few smaller tugs and bouy tenders that can break ice as well. Brrrr!! __________________ GT Aerospace

01-19-07, 11:09 AM	#11
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Damn, that is one mean lake. __________________

01-19-07, 12:24 PM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Here are links to the Edmund Fitzgerald, which Don1reed mentioned in his first post. The ship and her story (plus some others): http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/fitz.html The lyrics: http://home.pacbell.net/chabpyne/lyrics.html Listen to the song: http://www.corfid.com/gl/wreck.htm And a photo plus an explanation of the lyrics: http://www.europa.com/~random7/fitz.htm __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-19-07, 12:37 PM	#13
kurtz Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leighton Buzzard,England Posts: 660 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	IIRC (which I often don't) Convoy PQ17 had 3 'Lakers' which transferred from lake Superior and sailed for England, can't remember if they got there and can't find any of my books . (needed one for the French big gun sub on another thread) __________________ War without Fire is like sausages without mustard-Henry V. http://www.myvintagelife.co.uk/

01-19-07, 01:07 PM	#14
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