Rumsfeld has to go

Linton · 11-05-06, 06:21 AM

Some of the leading service papers in the US have called for Rumsfeld to go:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/welec105.xml

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f...25-2333360.php

As an aside I always think the secdef character in the Red October film looks like a young Rumsfeld

XabbaRus · 11-05-06, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Linton

Some of the leading service papers in the US have called for Rumsfeld to go:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/welec105.xml

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f...25-2333360.php

As an aside I always think the secdef character in the Red October film looks like a young Rumsfeld

"You know Jack, I'm a politician and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their candy. You..."

"Are expendable"

mog · 11-05-06, 07:15 AM

Rumsfeld should have got the chop 2 years ago; it's a bit late now.

The Avon Lady · 11-05-06, 09:08 AM

The flip side, including a link to this DoD response.

Personally, I'll sit on the fence on this one but my 2 feet are dangling on the side of the fence that says there should be someone better out there.

Safe-Keeper · 11-05-06, 09:17 AM

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Rumsfeld has to go

No ****?

goldorak · 11-05-06, 10:11 AM

And who will replace him ? :hmm:
Maybe in this case the cure could be more harmful than the disease.

Ishmael · 11-05-06, 12:39 PM

How's this for a scenario. Dems take the Senate by one seat. Rumsfeld resigns. Bush appoints newly-reelected Joe Lieberman as Secretary of Defense. Republican governor Rell appoints Republican challenger Schlesinger to fill out remaining six-year term of Lieberman. And nothing changes. Republicans control Senate, Iraq war stays the same.

11-05-06, 02:24 PM

Donald Rumsfeld serves at the pleasure of POTUS, not at the whim of his subordinates. Geo Washington wasn't much liked by his subordinates, yet today he is revered as a great leader. Perhaps those calling for Rumsfeld's relief were less than adequate at their jobs.

Rockstar · 11-05-06, 02:34 PM

Saddam maybe? He really knew how to use the military to take control of a situation.

If not him then who and why should he be replaced?

And since when was Lifer Times a service paper? I always thought it was an independent news service in other words owned by a private (civilian) firm that caters to the armed services. I also thought an 'Editorial was the voice of one mans opinion not that of the entire staff of the paper or public? Who was this person that provided the editorial? What was his motivation behind it besides the same old story of Bush's policy failure, we need to blame someone for the policy failure so we can impeach Bush rant. Get over it.

And why is this always found out and responded to by euro's? Maybe as I suggested before you just follow the call of your own leaders who are diverting your attention away from more pressing problems at home. I suggest y'all open your eyes as to whats happening in your own backyard before it's too late. I assure you Rumsfield is the least of anyones worries especially those living in the E.U.

11-05-06, 02:41 PM

Don't you just love the opinions of EU states members have who an opinion as to how we in the US should act without any commentary as to how their own gov'ts act.

Ducimus · 11-05-06, 03:37 PM

All im going to say about Rumesfield is, i never liked that c***sucker, or his stupid ideas. He's like an AF General named McPeak. Full of stupid ideas that don't mesh well with reality.

Rockstar · 11-05-06, 04:37 PM

Whose reality? :rotfl:

mog · 11-05-06, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

And why is this always found out and responded to by euro's? Maybe as I suggested before you just follow the call of your own leaders who are diverting your attention away from more pressing problems at home. I suggest y'all open your eyes as to whats happening in your own backyard before it's too late. I assure you Rumsfield is the least of anyones worries especially those living in the E.U.

Every second thread in this forum is full of Britons and Euros complaining about the state their countries are in.

STEED · 11-05-06, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

And why is this always found out and responded to by euro's? Maybe as I suggested before you just follow the call of your own leaders who are diverting your attention away from more pressing problems at home. I suggest y'all open your eyes as to whats happening in your own backyard before it's too late. I assure you Rumsfield is the least of anyones worries especially those living in the E.U.

I agree with that 100%

August · 11-05-06, 05:47 PM

Rumsfeld wanted a more balanced and mobile force that could react more quickly and accomplish a wider range of missions in order to meet the requirements of 21st century warfare. Especially needed were medium units to fill the gap between heavy and light forces and units that could operate successfully in low intensity urban warfare environments.

That vision was opposed by a Pentagon old boy network whose philosophy, tactics and organization were based on heavy conventional forces designed to slug it out with Soviet Tank armies around the Fulda gap. Rather than support their bosses efforts like they were supposed to, the old boy network generals drug their feet and threw monkey wrenches into the works until Rumsfeld fired them and replaced them with others that would do what he wanted, then from the safety of retirement they wrote revenge books criticizing his efforts that played right into the hands of the administrations enemies.

11-05-06, 06:21 AM	#1
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rumsfeld has to go Some of the leading service papers in the US have called for Rumsfeld to go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/welec105.xml http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f...25-2333360.php As an aside I always think the secdef character in the Red October film looks like a young Rumsfeld __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

11-05-06, 09:08 AM	#4
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The flip side, including a link to this DoD response. Personally, I'll sit on the fence on this one but my 2 feet are dangling on the side of the fence that says there should be someone better out there. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

11-05-06, 05:47 PM	#15
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rumsfeld wanted a more balanced and mobile force that could react more quickly and accomplish a wider range of missions in order to meet the requirements of 21st century warfare. Especially needed were medium units to fill the gap between heavy and light forces and units that could operate successfully in low intensity urban warfare environments. That vision was opposed by a Pentagon old boy network whose philosophy, tactics and organization were based on heavy conventional forces designed to slug it out with Soviet Tank armies around the Fulda gap. Rather than support their bosses efforts like they were supposed to, the old boy network generals drug their feet and threw monkey wrenches into the works until Rumsfeld fired them and replaced them with others that would do what he wanted, then from the safety of retirement they wrote revenge books criticizing his efforts that played right into the hands of the administrations enemies. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

11-05-06, 07:15 AM	#3
mog Medic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rumsfeld should have got the chop 2 years ago; it's a bit late now.

11-05-06, 10:11 AM	#6
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And who will replace him ? :hmm: Maybe in this case the cure could be more harmful than the disease.

11-05-06, 12:39 PM	#7
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	How's this for a scenario. Dems take the Senate by one seat. Rumsfeld resigns. Bush appoints newly-reelected Joe Lieberman as Secretary of Defense. Republican governor Rell appoints Republican challenger Schlesinger to fill out remaining six-year term of Lieberman. And nothing changes. Republicans control Senate, Iraq war stays the same.

11-05-06, 02:24 PM	#8
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Donald Rumsfeld serves at the pleasure of POTUS, not at the whim of his subordinates. Geo Washington wasn't much liked by his subordinates, yet today he is revered as a great leader. Perhaps those calling for Rumsfeld's relief were less than adequate at their jobs.

11-05-06, 02:34 PM	#9
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Saddam maybe? He really knew how to use the military to take control of a situation. If not him then who and why should he be replaced? And since when was Lifer Times a service paper? I always thought it was an independent news service in other words owned by a private (civilian) firm that caters to the armed services. I also thought an 'Editorial was the voice of one mans opinion not that of the entire staff of the paper or public? Who was this person that provided the editorial? What was his motivation behind it besides the same old story of Bush's policy failure, we need to blame someone for the policy failure so we can impeach Bush rant. Get over it. And why is this always found out and responded to by euro's? Maybe as I suggested before you just follow the call of your own leaders who are diverting your attention away from more pressing problems at home. I suggest y'all open your eyes as to whats happening in your own backyard before it's too late. I assure you Rumsfield is the least of anyones worries especially those living in the E.U.

11-05-06, 02:41 PM	#10
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Don't you just love the opinions of EU states members have who an opinion as to how we in the US should act without any commentary as to how their own gov'ts act.

11-05-06, 03:37 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	All im going to say about Rumesfield is, i never liked that c***sucker, or his stupid ideas. He's like an AF General named McPeak. Full of stupid ideas that don't mesh well with reality.

11-05-06, 04:37 PM	#12
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Whose reality? :rotfl: