Inept U-Flak AA gunners in NYGM

Quinn · 10-25-06, 09:00 PM

So I am on my first patrol with my new U-flak boat, all my AA gunners are AA rated CPO's, I commence firing on all aircraft when they get within "medium" gunnery range, and yet despite the wall of lead they are throwing in the air, it takes an exhorbitant amount of ammo to bring down aircraft.... Case in point, I keep re-running in my campaign an attack by a B-24 while in the English channel; this guy has made about 12 runs on me, and all I seem to be able to do is make one of his engines smoke.....

Anyone else experiencing this?

bookworm_020 · 10-25-06, 11:17 PM

Heck the B-24's in the stock verison of the game are hard enough to bring down, let alone suvive a bomb run from one of them! The carry hugh amounts of bombs and their not afraid to use them.

I'm no coward, but as soon as I spot a B-24..."Crash Dive"

Steeltrap · 10-25-06, 11:58 PM

Purpose of NYGM is 'realism'.Realistically, shooting down aircraft from a u-boat was very difficult. The u-flak was a failure.That's why the gunners are 'so inept' - the stock game had people posting they'd destroyed 20 aircraft in a single patrol, which is ridiculous.Doctrine is DIVE!!!As an aside, what are you doing in the Channel at that date? Trying to find new ways to die?? If the mod is making it very hard to kill aircraft, and also impossible to pass through the Channel after 1939 without about a 90% chance of dying, then it is doing exactly what it is designed to do.If I were one of your gunners on the surface in the channel facing a B-24, I think I'd be suggesting it's someone OTHER than the gunners who is inept!!!!

Quinn · 10-26-06, 01:29 AM

HAHHAHAHA! Point well taken....

in all fairness, my guys were able to swat down two Sunderlands by the end of that particular patrol... Took quite a lot of lead..... BTW, I ended up baggin the idea of trying to get back to Bergen via the English channel and took the longer, much safer way home.....

Der Teddy Bar · 10-26-06, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Quinn

HAHHAHAHA! Point well taken....

in all fairness, my guys were able to swat down two Sunderlands by the end of that particular patrol... Took quite a lot of lead..... BTW, I ended up baggin the idea of trying to get back to Bergen via the English channel and took the longer, much safer way home.....

Bagged 2!! Pretty good and you are 1/2 way to U-256 (?) record of 4 aircraft

Any dead crew?

I hope that you find the information below interesting and helpful.

In WWII only 120 aircraft were shot down for the entire war and most of those were from 1942 onwards.

125 aircraft shot down by 97 individual U-boats for the loss of 31 U-boats either sunk during the attack or due to being located by other forces shortly afterwards and sunk.

This highlights one of the key issues of SHIII in that there is no Coastal Command. When seen you will get harassed by aircraft but it is unlikely that you will get harrased by escorts. This is because unless the escorts are within 20 kilometres they will not respond, in addition if the Lost contact time is exceeded the escort will turn around and 'forget' that you ever existed. This means that the player can sail around the English Coast with reasonable impunity.

Anyway, back onto the subject at hand...

Between 1939 & 1943 only 10 aircraft were shot down...
1939 - 2 - U-30 2x Blackburn Skua NOTE: one was 'shot' down by it's own bomb bouncing off the water and exploding in the air.
1940 - 0
1941 - 1 - U-131 1 x Martlet
1942 - 7 - U-73 1 x Hudson, U-256 1 x Whitley, U-259 1 x Hudson, U-505 1 x Hudson, U-561 1 x Liberator, U-565 1 x Hudson, U-606 Catalina,

Please check out the u-boat.net's page on aircraft shot down http://uboat.net/history/aircraft_losses.htm.

As far as I can tell, the most aircraft shot down by one u-boat is an astounding number of 4!

2 Sep, 1942
(British Whitley aircraft, Squadron 77/H)

11 Mar, 1944
(Canadian Wellington aircraft, Squadron 407/H)
The aircraft seems to have crashed on its own during preparations for the attack run.

19 Mar, 1944
(British Liberator aircraft, Squadron 224/F)
The aircraft smashed into the sea 500m away from the boat and exploded.

7 Jun, 1944
(British Liberator aircraft, Squadron 224/M)

Quinn · 10-29-06, 06:14 PM

Wow that is some very cool info on Aircraft losses....

And no; so far my AA crews have managed to stay unharmed during these attacks (knock on wood...).

10-25-06, 09:00 PM	#1
Quinn Nub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: seattle Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Inept U-Flak AA gunners in NYGM So I am on my first patrol with my new U-flak boat, all my AA gunners are AA rated CPO's, I commence firing on all aircraft when they get within "medium" gunnery range, and yet despite the wall of lead they are throwing in the air, it takes an exhorbitant amount of ammo to bring down aircraft.... Case in point, I keep re-running in my campaign an attack by a B-24 while in the English channel; this guy has made about 12 runs on me, and all I seem to be able to do is make one of his engines smoke..... Anyone else experiencing this?

10-25-06, 11:17 PM	#2
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Heck the B-24's in the stock verison of the game are hard enough to bring down, let alone suvive a bomb run from one of them! The carry hugh amounts of bombs and their not afraid to use them. I'm no coward, but as soon as I spot a B-24..."Crash Dive" __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

10-25-06, 11:58 PM	#3
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Purpose of NYGM is 'realism'.Realistically, shooting down aircraft from a u-boat was very difficult. The u-flak was a failure.That's why the gunners are 'so inept' - the stock game had people posting they'd destroyed 20 aircraft in a single patrol, which is ridiculous.Doctrine is DIVE!!!As an aside, what are you doing in the Channel at that date? Trying to find new ways to die?? If the mod is making it very hard to kill aircraft, and also impossible to pass through the Channel after 1939 without about a 90% chance of dying, then it is doing exactly what it is designed to do.If I were one of your gunners on the surface in the channel facing a B-24, I think I'd be suggesting it's someone OTHER than the gunners who is inept!!!!

10-26-06, 01:29 AM	#4
Quinn Nub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: seattle Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	HAHHAHAHA! Point well taken.... in all fairness, my guys were able to swat down two Sunderlands by the end of that particular patrol... Took quite a lot of lead..... BTW, I ended up baggin the idea of trying to get back to Bergen via the English channel and took the longer, much safer way home.....

10-29-06, 06:14 PM	#6
Quinn Nub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: seattle Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wow that is some very cool info on Aircraft losses.... And no; so far my AA crews have managed to stay unharmed during these attacks (knock on wood...).