GW Concepts

Kpt. Lehmann · 03-26-06, 03:15 AM

Just to slam on the brakes a little here because I feel that the WRONG picture may be being painted in regards to GW's overall intent.

GW is not just a "sound and graphics mod." What we have done is approach the entire package. Gameplay or simulator content advances alone are pretty dull IMHO without efforts to make "realistic" sounds and graphics to match. I think that however you choose to go about doing it... "immersion" cannot be achieved without these three elements.

It took more than a bit of courage for the GW team to take the road it has chosen.

Myself and the GW mod-team have spent much time and energy on "Realism." You can find a GREAT DEAL of represented realism in GW. There have also been long discussions and little wars on this forum regarding what constitutes "realism." I submit that what defines "realism" must be decided on by the individual based on the information he or she absorbs... and adding a dash or two of life experience and common sense. In the same vein one individuals or group's definition of "realism" should not be forced on another. Suggestion should be enough. The player will decide for themselves anyway... and this is why the creators of GW will never claim to offer the "highest possible level of realism." Though we will state that we do attempt to offer a well advanced representation of it.
For example:
.... U-boats that sink by flooding on occasion as opposed to simply popping out of existence via the "Instant Screen-O-death." GW's U-Boat damage model is an amalgamation of the Hollywood Advanced U-Boat damage mod and the Die-Hard mod. This was mixed by Marhkimov. So far I am very happy with it.
.... In GW, Depth charges are no longer laser-guided and are more inaccurate... but still lethal. (Remember the pin-point DC drop thread?) This is probably one of the most intensively tested and apparently successful elements in GW and was adjusted numerous times by myself and Marhkimov. If adjusted further one way or the other, IMHO negative effects overcome the intent of the fix.
.... In GW, DD's are more aggressive for the most part and the "uber sonar lock" can now be broken by an intelligent commander.
.... The deck gun and AA weapon uber inertial stability/laser guidance is effectively dealt with in GW. (On flat sea states, it will appear otherwise somewhat the same as stock though)
... Many mods like "decks awash," map contact tracking alterations, and snorkel detection by radar etc. are becoming commonly accepted I think primarily because they should have been included in the stock game to begin with and we all recognize these things. So it is perfectly reasonable to say there are similarities between the different big mods in many ways at least in intent to reach effect "X." The impression I get from reviewing the different mod-packs is that it appears we were possibly all working along the same lines with different approaches... sometimes at the same time whitout realizing it. We've tweaked existing mods and offered some cool new stuff all at the same time. All of this was done with the intent to make some things better in one way or another.

When I return Monday I will continue with this post and be able to speak in much more detail. Hopefully, this thread will assist players in making their choices. I do not intend for it to be a sales platform for GW, nor do I intend to use it as a vehicle to attack the efforts of others. Furthermore it is my intention only to delineate some fundamental differences....

.... because one choice is not a choice at all.

Christian Knudsen · 03-26-06, 03:41 AM

I only have one complaint...

My computer isn't fast enough to take advantage of the graphics improvements in GW (Or run stock SHIII without occasional hangups, for that matter). Damn my poverty!

Hopefully I will be able to upgrade in the next few months (before my second comes along and I divert money into diapers), and then I hope to try out your mod.

Until then, thanks, and keep up the good work!

Salvadoreno · 03-26-06, 06:56 AM

Did the meditteranean campaign get worked by the GW as well?

Montbrun · 03-26-06, 11:29 AM

Awesome MOD in it's own right, Kpt. Lehmann. If you are, in fact, looking at a combination with some of the other large MODs, then the community will get the best of ALL of the MODders efforts, and hats off to all of you.

Montbrun

ref · 03-26-06, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Knudsen

I only have one complaint...

My computer isn't fast enough to take advantage of the graphics improvements in GW (Or run stock SHIII without occasional hangups, for that matter). Damn my poverty!

Hopefully I will be able to upgrade in the next few months (before my second comes along and I divert money into diapers), and then I hope to try out your mod.

Until then, thanks, and keep up the good work!

I also have a (very) low end computer, and reverting to stock sea floor and using 8km visibility the fps aren't that diferent from stock game, except in ports. The only piece of hardware that I could afford for the moment, and that makes a diference even on stock game was an audigy sound card , which improves my fts about 25%.

Ref

irish1958 · 03-26-06, 02:08 PM

Is it possible to manage the crew by setting up watches at the begining of the patrol and then changing them with one click, say every 12 hours? And can random illness, injury, death can be added so that the Captain might have to reasign crew?
irish1958

Tonnage_Ace · 03-26-06, 09:04 PM

My computer is pretty high-end and I had to remove the sea floor mod and put in the default one. It was pointless anyway, because even with free look, the water is too dark to appreciate it.

wolfast · 03-26-06, 09:49 PM

..well, I LOVE this mod... so Your hard work is loved by me.... I hate the notion that people complain about it..... If you dont like it, dont use it..... IMO

Tonnage_Ace · 03-26-06, 10:08 PM

No ones complaining, constructive criticism never hurt nobody. Complaining would entail someone saying, "This mod sucks!" without listing reasons why it does. The fact that people are listing problems they're having means they have an interest in the mod becoming better and have hopes that it will be...

CWorth · 03-26-06, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonnage_Ace

No ones complaining, constructive criticism never hurt nobody. Complaining would entail someone saying, "This mod sucks!" without listing reasons why it does. The fact that people are listing problems they're having means they have an interest in the mod becoming better and have hopes that it will be...

Exactly...

How can the mod be the best it can be if people don't voice what they dislike about it or give suggestions on what they think may be able to improve it.

As long as the person states what they dislike about it and do so in a constructive way then there is no problems with saying what you dislike about it.It can only help to make an already terrific mod even better.

wolfast · 03-26-06, 11:59 PM

constructive criticism is GOOD, yes!!!!

03-26-06, 03:15 AM	#1
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,993 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	GW Concepts Just to slam on the brakes a little here because I feel that the WRONG picture may be being painted in regards to GW's overall intent. GW is not just a "sound and graphics mod." What we have done is approach the entire package. Gameplay or simulator content advances alone are pretty dull IMHO without efforts to make "realistic" sounds and graphics to match. I think that however you choose to go about doing it... "immersion" cannot be achieved without these three elements. It took more than a bit of courage for the GW team to take the road it has chosen. Myself and the GW mod-team have spent much time and energy on "Realism." You can find a GREAT DEAL of represented realism in GW. There have also been long discussions and little wars on this forum regarding what constitutes "realism." I submit that what defines "realism" must be decided on by the individual based on the information he or she absorbs... and adding a dash or two of life experience and common sense. In the same vein one individuals or group's definition of "realism" should not be forced on another. Suggestion should be enough. The player will decide for themselves anyway... and this is why the creators of GW will never claim to offer the "highest possible level of realism." Though we will state that we do attempt to offer a well advanced representation of it. For example: .... U-boats that sink by flooding on occasion as opposed to simply popping out of existence via the "Instant Screen-O-death." GW's U-Boat damage model is an amalgamation of the Hollywood Advanced U-Boat damage mod and the Die-Hard mod. This was mixed by Marhkimov. So far I am very happy with it. .... In GW, Depth charges are no longer laser-guided and are more inaccurate... but still lethal. (Remember the pin-point DC drop thread?) This is probably one of the most intensively tested and apparently successful elements in GW and was adjusted numerous times by myself and Marhkimov. If adjusted further one way or the other, IMHO negative effects overcome the intent of the fix. .... In GW, DD's are more aggressive for the most part and the "uber sonar lock" can now be broken by an intelligent commander. .... The deck gun and AA weapon uber inertial stability/laser guidance is effectively dealt with in GW. (On flat sea states, it will appear otherwise somewhat the same as stock though) ... Many mods like "decks awash," map contact tracking alterations, and snorkel detection by radar etc. are becoming commonly accepted I think primarily because they should have been included in the stock game to begin with and we all recognize these things. So it is perfectly reasonable to say there are similarities between the different big mods in many ways at least in intent to reach effect "X." The impression I get from reviewing the different mod-packs is that it appears we were possibly all working along the same lines with different approaches... sometimes at the same time whitout realizing it. We've tweaked existing mods and offered some cool new stuff all at the same time. All of this was done with the intent to make some things better in one way or another. When I return Monday I will continue with this post and be able to speak in much more detail. Hopefully, this thread will assist players in making their choices. I do not intend for it to be a sales platform for GW, nor do I intend to use it as a vehicle to attack the efforts of others. Furthermore it is my intention only to delineate some fundamental differences.... .... because one choice is not a choice at all. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

03-26-06, 06:56 AM	#3
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Did the meditteranean campaign get worked by the GW as well? __________________

03-26-06, 11:29 AM	#4
Montbrun Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 115 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Awesome MOD in it's own right, Kpt. Lehmann. If you are, in fact, looking at a combination with some of the other large MODs, then the community will get the best of ALL of the MODders efforts, and hats off to all of you. Montbrun __________________ \"Ein U-boot ohne Sehrohr ist heute angekomman - A U-Boat without a periscope arrived today.\" - Message sent to Gunther Prien in U-47 during the Norwegian Campaign by Karl Doenitz to tell Prien about the birth of his second daughter...

03-26-06, 02:08 PM	#6
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	GW concepts Is it possible to manage the crew by setting up watches at the begining of the patrol and then changing them with one click, say every 12 hours? And can random illness, injury, death can be added so that the Captain might have to reasign crew? irish1958

03-26-06, 09:49 PM	#8
wolfast Watch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Greenville South Carolina Posts: 27 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	..well, I LOVE this mod... so Your hard work is loved by me.... I hate the notion that people complain about it..... If you dont like it, dont use it..... IMO __________________ Former SimNASA Manned Space Flight Director

03-26-06, 03:41 AM	#2
Christian Knudsen Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 11 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I only have one complaint... My computer isn't fast enough to take advantage of the graphics improvements in GW (Or run stock SHIII without occasional hangups, for that matter). Damn my poverty! Hopefully I will be able to upgrade in the next few months (before my second comes along and I divert money into diapers), and then I hope to try out your mod. Until then, thanks, and keep up the good work!

03-26-06, 09:04 PM	#7
Tonnage_Ace XO Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 411 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	My computer is pretty high-end and I had to remove the sea floor mod and put in the default one. It was pointless anyway, because even with free look, the water is too dark to appreciate it.

03-26-06, 10:08 PM	#9
Tonnage_Ace XO Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 411 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	No ones complaining, constructive criticism never hurt nobody. Complaining would entail someone saying, "This mod sucks!" without listing reasons why it does. The fact that people are listing problems they're having means they have an interest in the mod becoming better and have hopes that it will be...

03-26-06, 11:59 PM	#11
wolfast Watch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Greenville South Carolina Posts: 27 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	constructive criticism is GOOD, yes!!!! __________________ Former SimNASA Manned Space Flight Director

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