Bush = that guy with a pointy beard...

Type941 · 03-25-06, 01:13 PM

Marx believed socialism will come to all people naturally. Lenin thought it needed a 'push'.

Others believed that Democracy comes naturally to societies.

GW Bush thinks it needs the 'push'. Is Bush the new Lenin?

Read this from FT recently by a quite famous professor in the US, but can't find the article, as it was online, about 1 week ago. I just thought the parallels are very simple and quite striking.

CCIP · 03-25-06, 01:24 PM

There's some political similarities, but I think that's doing a bit of a dis-service to Lenin :P Lenin was by far the smarter political figure, and I personally think that if the USSR was built by his design (and not by Stalin), the whole thing would have lasted much longer.

Otherwise, I don't think Bush is the first one to come up with this, either. Hell, they've been doing those 'pushes' in various ways from the beginning of the Cold War!

joea · 03-25-06, 02:06 PM

Funny I heard a similar comparison but Bush=Trotsky by two friends from different places in the Eastern Bloc. "World Revolution"

scandium · 03-25-06, 02:08 PM

Seems to me there are two big problems with American forced democracy:

1. It is being pushed into countries completely dissimilar from the Western countries that all share a European heritage (being either European or colonized by the peoples of Europe). Therefore why democracy should even take hold there, let alone be a mirror image of our own, is a mystery to everyone outside of Bush and his fanatical supporters.

2. The premise that democracy can be forced at gunpoint.

By the way, not that you're equating them, but Marxist socialism and Soviet communism are not one and the same. That association has led to "Marxist" becoming a bit of a slur in the Western world when Marx never envisioned, nor championed, anything resembling Stalin's USSR.

Type941 · 03-25-06, 03:18 PM

exactly I'm not equating them, quite the opposite as you see in my post, i state them as different.

but i just don't think Financial Times article and 2 people from eastern bloc are quite the same in depth of opinion and research went to back it up.

However, we do have new colonies now of US. They are called Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq, South Korea, and some other places. So if your colony theory is valid, in 30-50 years they'll become independent from US and be 'really' free. Us is trying to colonize all former soviet republics now, and they seem to be willing to split the countries, and let people die inside them in order to achieve their 'national interests' (*spit*).

Iceman · 03-25-06, 09:55 PM

You guys sound retarded....you really believe all your own illusions of the US's diabolical plots....

You guys will be probably happy to hear I resign from this forum of America haters and haters in general....you guys are too depressing...you could drive a person to suicide with all the negative Bull**** that spews from your mouths....Amazes me to see people from all over the world visit a web site created by a Texan, who lives in America, and talk about nothing but how America sucks in one way or another....Enjoy Your Fantasy.

STEED · 03-26-06, 06:56 AM

Just for Iceman

Kapitan · 03-26-06, 07:24 AM

But we cant loose iceman we cant we cant

Type941 · 03-26-06, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

You guys sound retarded....you really believe all your own illusions of the US's diabolical plots....

You guys will be probably happy to hear I resign from this forum of America haters and haters in general....you guys are too depressing...you could drive a person to suicide with all the negative b.s. that spews from your mouths....Amazes me to see people from all over the world visit a web site created by a Texan, who lives in America, and talk about nothing but how America sucks in one way or another....Enjoy Your Fantasy.

Ah, nothing like denial. Just for you Icy.

On serious note, I have no ilusions at all about the true aims of the USA elite. Divide and conquer. And the fact that Bush uses democracy to forcefully overthrow governments that speak out against him is a pure Fact. And calling us retarded for saying that is only proving we are wrong, you have ain't got a comeback. Chill, Ice.

The Avon Lady · 03-26-06, 07:59 AM

What you Europeans smokin'? :hmm:

Type941 · 03-26-06, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

What you Europeans smokin'? :hmm:

Article in FT I'm referring to was written in the US, by an american.

Kapitan · 03-26-06, 08:12 AM

What ever they are smoking i want some

Type941 · 03-26-06, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitain

What ever they are smoking i want some

But you're the dealer!!!!

:rotfl:

The Avon Lady · 03-26-06, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type941

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

What you Europeans smokin'? :hmm:

Article in FT I'm referring to was written in the US, by an american.

Link?

Not to worry. I'm quite familiar with the plenty of my fellow citizens on conspiracy highs.

scandium · 03-26-06, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

You guys sound retarded....you really believe all your own illusions of the US's diabolical plots....

You guys will be probably happy to hear I resign from this forum of America haters and haters in general....you guys are too depressing...you could drive a person to suicide with all the negative b.s. that spews from your mouths....Amazes me to see people from all over the world visit a web site created by a Texan, who lives in America, and talk about nothing but how America sucks in one way or another....Enjoy Your Fantasy.

An invasion of Iraq for which the first blueprints were drawn up, and with the motivations laid out in secret energy meetings, almost from the day the current President took office and before 9/11; an invasion predicated on false intelligence, pointing to non-existant WMD, at least some of which was known to be forged (the Niger forgergy) but was still cited even after the forgery were discovered as though it were authentic; a subsequent pre-emptive invasion that discovers no WMD but leaves 2,000 American soldiers dead as well as upto 100,000 Iraqi civilians. A diabolical plot? Well it has at least many of the elements of one, doesn't it?

03-25-06, 01:13 PM	#1
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Bush = that guy with a pointy beard... Marx believed socialism will come to all people naturally. Lenin thought it needed a 'push'. Others believed that Democracy comes naturally to societies. GW Bush thinks it needs the 'push'. Is Bush the new Lenin? Read this from FT recently by a quite famous professor in the US, but can't find the article, as it was online, about 1 week ago. I just thought the parallels are very simple and quite striking. __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

03-25-06, 01:24 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	There's some political similarities, but I think that's doing a bit of a dis-service to Lenin :P Lenin was by far the smarter political figure, and I personally think that if the USSR was built by his design (and not by Stalin), the whole thing would have lasted much longer. Otherwise, I don't think Bush is the first one to come up with this, either. Hell, they've been doing those 'pushes' in various ways from the beginning of the Cold War! __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-25-06, 03:18 PM	#5
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	exactly I'm not equating them, quite the opposite as you see in my post, i state them as different. but i just don't think Financial Times article and 2 people from eastern bloc are quite the same in depth of opinion and research went to back it up. However, we do have new colonies now of US. They are called Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq, South Korea, and some other places. So if your colony theory is valid, in 30-50 years they'll become independent from US and be 'really' free. Us is trying to colonize all former soviet republics now, and they seem to be willing to split the countries, and let people die inside them in order to achieve their 'national interests' (spit). __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

03-26-06, 06:56 AM	#7
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03-25-06, 02:06 PM	#3
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Funny I heard a similar comparison but Bush=Trotsky by two friends from different places in the Eastern Bloc. "World Revolution"

03-25-06, 02:08 PM	#4
scandium Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Seems to me there are two big problems with American forced democracy: 1. It is being pushed into countries completely dissimilar from the Western countries that all share a European heritage (being either European or colonized by the peoples of Europe). Therefore why democracy should even take hold there, let alone be a mirror image of our own, is a mystery to everyone outside of Bush and his fanatical supporters. 2. The premise that democracy can be forced at gunpoint. By the way, not that you're equating them, but Marxist socialism and Soviet communism are not one and the same. That association has led to "Marxist" becoming a bit of a slur in the Western world when Marx never envisioned, nor championed, anything resembling Stalin's USSR.

03-25-06, 09:55 PM	#6
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You guys sound retarded....you really believe all your own illusions of the US's diabolical plots.... You guys will be probably happy to hear I resign from this forum of America haters and haters in general....you guys are too depressing...you could drive a person to suicide with all the negative Bull**** that spews from your mouths....Amazes me to see people from all over the world visit a web site created by a Texan, who lives in America, and talk about nothing but how America sucks in one way or another....Enjoy Your Fantasy.

03-26-06, 07:59 AM	#10
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03-26-06, 08:12 AM	#12
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	What ever they are smoking i want some __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

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