Mexico is screwed

[Onkel Neal]

Man, I knew it was bad but this really puts it in perspective.
This Mexican candidate had just vowed to tackle crime. Then a gunman shot him dead.

The Mexican congressional candidate had just left a debate hall where he addressed public security in his northern state. He walks over to a person holding a phone and poses for a picture. In a matter of seconds, a man walks up from behind and shoots him in the head, killing him before walking off.

The death Friday night of Coahuila state's Fernando Puron brought to 112 the number of candidates or politicians killed since the launch of Mexico's electoral campaign in September, according to the consulting group Etellekt. Puron was the first candidate running on the federal level to be killed.

My god, this is insane. It sounds like Mexico is just a few steps away from turning into Somalia. Organized crime has its roots deep into the country's law enforcement and political power.

And half of our country are bubbling with excitement about letting millions of these people in and legalizing their status. Trump was dead on right when he said the criminals of Mexico are entrenched in the US; they are mixed in with the laborers and families looking for work, and liberal Democrats are working overtime to see that they are not molested and safe in sanctuary cities.

[Skybird]

I would not mock any US president seriously consideirng to invade and annex Mexico. Its not on the other side of the planet - its right on your doorstep.

However, you then end up in a seat comparable to the Israelis regarding the Palestinians.

Doomed if you do and doomed if you dont.

Walls sometimes are a reasonable solution. Especially when they are not meant to keep own people in (Eastgerman wall), but to keep bad guys out - man has done like that since many, many, many centuries and millenia with his towns and villages.

Its insane what a hopelessly perverted sense of "libelaism" today makes people i the West to agree to. Open boarders. Asylum for everybody. Endless payments to and endless patience for offenders. A whole industry building up around keeping these deformations of a free society alive.

Much of what the idea of free private cities is basing on, is missing in Western states today. And thats why they fail.

https://freeprivatecities.com/

To me, after 200 years of modern democracy and Western statehood, this concept by which the West wants to define itself, has failed. Law and order is in decline, often actively violated by the states themselves. The social systems cannot be maintained anymore. The military potence to defend oneself is being given up. No controls and no border protection there should be. People nmever havign done anything for their new country the ymoved to, imem dioately hslal have all benefits and rights, while all too often not compensating by giving back accordingly.

This cannot go well endlessly. It must crash down, by all rules of logic.

[Mr Quatro]

Fear will make the citizens of Mexico stronger till the one that rules returns the favor to the fear mongrels ...

Mexico is a harsh climate the hot peppers in their food disguise the flavor of the pork, beef or sea food that lacks refrigeration. The skin pigment is from an unrelentless sun bearing down on a civilization far older than ours.

Mexico will survive ... will the USA?

[Peter Cremer]

This is what happens when the government makes it illegal for citizens to own firearms. You don't hear the anti-gun groups bragging about Mexico's unarmed citizens. Only the army, police, and drug cartels are allowed to have guns. Having corrupt army units and police forces doesn't help.

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Peter Cremer

This is what happens when the government makes it illegal for citizens to own firearms. You don't hear the anti-gun groups bragging about Mexico's unarmed citizens. Only the army, police, and drug cartels are allowed to have guns. Having corrupt army units and police forces doesn't help.

You are pro gun. I get that but the pro gun arguementation is really out of place here. The reasons then? Try poverty and rampant corruption since pretty much day 1 in Mexico's existence. Hand in hand, they make the breeding ground for drug gangs -> cartels. More guns is not how you solve that.

[Catfish]

Most probably a drug cartel murder. If you read one of Winslow's books.. the situation is really unbelievably ugly. I can understand anyone who wants to flee from there.

Guns, of course. But even if all Mexicans were allowed to bear arms, it would just be a neverending civil war, against the drug animals.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Most probably a drug cartel murder. If you read one of Winslow's books.. the situation is really unbelievably ugly. I can understand anyone who wants to flee from there.

Guns, of course. But even if all Mexicans were allowed to bear arms, it would just be a neverending civil war, against the drug animals.

True, but at least it would be a fight

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Peter Cremer

This is what happens when the government makes it illegal for citizens to own firearms. You don't hear the anti-gun groups bragging about Mexico's unarmed citizens. Only the army, police, and drug cartels are allowed to have guns. Having corrupt army units and police forces doesn't help.

Mexicans are allowed to buy and own firearms.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Mexicans are allowed to buy and own firearms.

i see your 1 eye roll and raise you 1 eye roll as Pete seems to make a good point. I wonder too if the gun used was part of 'Project Gun Runner'.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican...ns-but-few-do/

MEXICO CITY - There’s just one place in all of Mexico where you can legally buy a gun. It’s tucked away in an anonymous building on an army base in the capital, staffed by soldiers.
Mexico’s constitution guarantees citizens’ right to own a handgun and hunting rifles for self-defense and sport. Legally getting your hands on one, however, requires clearing a series of bureaucratic hurdles far stricter than in the U.S. and, for many customers, traveling great distances to reach the country’s lone gun store.
In fact, most of Mexico’s 120 million inhabitants probably don’t even know about the Directorate of Arms and Munitions Sales – it’s prohibited from advertising any of its goods or the mere fact that it exists.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Mexicans are allowed to buy and own firearms.

Legally they can per their constitution, but there is a catch. It's rather costly and regulated, but the kicker is, there's only one location ran by the govt in all of Mexico a gun can be purchased, so legal ownership is very low. However, say some law was passed with a mass arming of citizens, I don't know that would solve anything since there's no true system of law and order in many towns. You would almost need a revolution of righteous people, but the economics aren't there to back it up. Mexico is really in a state of war and I would put our military on the border to shut it down.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I would not mock any US president seriously consideirng to invade and annex Mexico. Its not on the other side of the planet - its right on your doorstep.

However, you then end up in a seat comparable to the Israelis regarding the Palestinians.

Doomed if you do and doomed if you dont.

Walls sometimes are a reasonable solution. Especially when they are not meant to keep own people in (Eastgerman wall), but to keep bad guys out - man has done like that since many, many, many centuries and millenia with his towns and villages.

Its insane what a hopelessly perverted sense of "libelaism" today makes people i the West to agree to. Open boarders. Asylum for everybody. Endless payments to and endless patience for offenders. A whole industry building up around keeping these deformations of a free society alive.

Much of what the idea of free private cities is basing on, is missing in Western states today. And thats why they fail.

https://freeprivatecities.com/

To me, after 200 years of modern democracy and Western statehood, this concept by which the West wants to define itself, has failed. Law and order is in decline, often actively violated by the states themselves. The social systems cannot be maintained anymore. The military potence to defend oneself is being given up. No controls and no border protection there should be. People nmever havign done anything for their new country the ymoved to, imem dioately hslal have all benefits and rights, while all too often not compensating by giving back accordingly.

This cannot go well endlessly. It must crash down, by all rules of logic.

The question is what is driving it? we talk about open borders being liberal and progressive etc. but maybe that it just how its being sold.
I fear its all for cheap workers to do the low skilled jobs a bloated middle class wont, and pay in to /prop up a broken system that is going to run in to trouble when the aging population comes to a head (more people retired than in work). Those I think are the real reasons mass immigration is encouraged, the liberal 'multiculturalism' part is just a more effective way to sell 'population replacement'.
Aging population and Low birthrates are the inevitable result of the decline of marriage the nuclear family which has been driven by a multitude of things; mass middle class expansion, free education, women entering the work force, welfare state, wage stagnation etc. Explain the wests situation to anyone outside of it the and the response is usually the same: 'then why did you stop having kids you idiots?'

[Skybird]

^ Part of the truth all that is, yes. But our system sets the wrong incentives, for everybody. For private ordinary people. For politicians. The tragic of the common, as it is called, is omnipresent, everywhere. And socialism is successful only because its utopia depicts a land of milk and honey free from any hardship where your mere claim for happiness already makes people think they have claim for somebody else paying for their own happiness. Socialism appeals to some of the lowest and most despicable instincts in man, lainress, greed, and creative lethargy, thats why it is so appealing for many. In short, it appeals to emotions, and completely bypbasses the brain (reason, thinking, logic).


It cannot and maybe should not be tried to be replaced by force, such a fight is lost from beginning on, I think. It can only be made obsolete by somethign better showing up. My favourite idea is something similiar to the Hanse. Or Venice. Genua. The author of that book I earlier recommended in this thread, to my joy also referred to the Hanse as a good example, and as an admirer of the oldtown of Lübeck I must like the concept anyway . Ironcially, the Hanse was successful and influential as long as it stayed out of politics. From the time on when Lübeck occupied all administrative power and formed a caste of de facto politicians, they started "to do politics", and started to intervene elsehwere, and started to drive their thing full speed against the wall - the decline of the union began. In Switzerland, to stay out of foreign people'S disputes, is part of the state reason until today. Singapore is a successful (and militarily surprisingly strong!) free city - but hides its power and stays out of other's fights, cares for its own business. To my surprise I learned that such examples and zones are forjing up across the whole planet, in Honduras, China anyway (Shengzehn is just one special zone heavily focussing on economy), Chile, even Saudi Arabia plans a free city zone with explicit exclusion from Islamic and Saudi law codes (my jaw dropped oepn when reading that). Such a project is also planne don the Balkan. Once there are enough, hundreds and hundres of such places of different tastes where any animal can find its favourite pleasure, states cannot really escape anymore to accept competition with them and then taking these places' success as an exmaple by which they must reinvent themselves, people will vote with their feet if they must not switchz continents or states, but just cities - many of us already have done that when changing an expensive flat for a cheaper one, or one we just found more attractive. In China and Shengzhen this already happens, the zone has far-reaching own legislation that sets it apart from the surrounding Chinese territory. Huawei is the first private business corporation that enjoys far-reaching exclusion from party dictate and usual Chinese legislation, its as much a private entrepreneurship and capitalist company as it can get. Thats why it is successful, and thats why it financially pays off for China to let them run their ways. Market and capitalism beats planned economy (if that ain'T no old news). Even China sees that. Then there are Andorra. Of course Lichtenstein, Monaco: Places for already rich people, still - they teach states a lesson on how to keep your homework in proper order, they are stable, secure, and well-administered, and have reserves that natiosn and states can omly dream of. Sandy Springs. I recently heared of a global movement called I think Seafahrer. They plan to build autonomous private cities run as companies where citizens are customers and the city being a supplier of services citizens can - and in parts must - order and pay for, which means that citizen can hold the city administration fully liable and accountable if it fails on the contracts' agreed conditions, they can sue it. Private law, not state authority. try to sue your govenrment when it wastes your blackmailed taxes that you have to pay for stuff you never have ordered and never wanted! Its free trading versus dictatorship and slavery.



We do not hold politicians and central bankers accountable for their lies, cheating, betrayals and fraud and crimes. No matter the damage their clever plans bring, they must not fear any responsibility, and they can keep all their gold and priviliges. No wonder that they do not care for the consequences of their deeds, and serve their own pocket-filling only and their own power ambitions. In Germany, short before the football championship now, the SPD, on its historically low score, tries to pushes through a raise in its financial payments from the voters. The system was meant to "compensate" parties for their campaigns and advertising (why, I ask?), and smaller parties get a bit less than bigger parties, it is according to the election results. Now the SPD wants to get money as if it still would get heyday results, in other words, the punishing vote of last elections shall have no consequence for them. In the shadow of football fever, they hope to sneak it through without anybody noticing it. It tells you all about the mentality of this scum that you need to know about them.



There can be no freedom in the presence of policians doing politics. The first is only possible in the absence of politics and politicians. Private-law-depending relations between people is the alternative, a private law basing on just two base principles: reciprocity, and the Golden Rule. You then see that polticians are not needed at all.


Sorry, got carried a way a bit. But it is not completely unconnected to the topic.

[JU_88]

if you you mean like a society that that puts entitlements and 'rights' before responsibilities. I agree, that is one major thing we have royally screwed up.
Not sure i quite agree with you on the socialism comment, I agree socialism breaks more than it fixes in the long run, But i don't believe all those to advocate it are evil, I believe for some part their intentions can be considered 'good' (e.g thinking of what will benefit others besides themselves).... but you know what they say about the road to hell, paving and all that.
I don't view left or right wing people as inherently good or bad, just different.

I think posted this before here, but this is pretty good on the subject.

[Skybird]

In the end, ignoring the nature of man never will lead to lasting positive results, because it is against the nature of man then.



And if you constantly nurse the lazy and uncreative options in man'S motivation, and always appeal to his lower instincts instead of his reason and sense of responsibility, how could one expect to get something good from that? If you want to harvest good fruits, you should not bring out bad seeds on an acrid field.



You get out of the black box what you put into the black box. Attract all weakness, dependency and parasitism of the worlld, and that is what you will get. Add more and more weak links to a chain, and you get not a stronger chain, just one that is longer, but as strong only as its weakest link. A longer, weaker chain. EU is a prime example. Ever more new candidates. But no strong ones, only net receivers. Thanks, but no thanks, man.


I never believed that the company of the weak makes you stronger, and that also would be against my - modest - life experience. It makes you being handicapped, thats all. There can be reasons imagined, in the field of private relations, why you and even me would accept that, but you should nevert assume it increases your degrees of freedom, gives you more options, makes you "strong". Weakness is weakness, nothing else.


Watchign the vidoe now.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This cannot go well endlessly. It must crash down, by all rules of logic.

I totally agree...it is laws of physics at this point....it can not be sustained and is reaching a boiling point, the world is for that matter. For me personally it is not unexpected.

A city divided against itself can not stand....and unless the Lord had shortened the days No Flesh shall be saved. We as humans are on a fast track to destruction. The ref is going to step in soon and call this a game...IMO.