Rape is a crime, men being gentlemanly is not

[Skybird]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...nstein-scandal

Bravo. "Witch hunt" was often on my mind when observing the excessive media hijacking and indoctrination campaigns that feminism is running since years, and that have climaxed a #MeToo campaign that has gone beyond all re dlines, it seems to me.

Men and women should be equal before the law. Period. All this religiously motivated puritanism or brutal feminist egoism with political lobby I do not give one spit for.

I am interested in a woman that is both feminine AND self-determined, not weak. A weak woman is as uninteresting for me as is a woman that is not feminine. Femine and masculine qualities and traits are what attracts both genders to each other. And no ideology will change that. Only eugenic cleaning of "dirty" genes. One should fear the abuse that this will attract.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Bravo. "Witch hunt" was often on my mind when observing the excessive media hijacking and indoctrination campaigns that feminism is running since years, and that have climaxed a #MeToo campaign that has gone beyond all re dlines, it seems to me.

The #MeToo campaign would have far more traction and common sense if it wasn't emanating and being promoted by Hollywood celebrities. If there is a town that should not be preaching to the rest of us about sexual exploitation and harassment it's Hollywood. They should start off with an apology and then shut up.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by u crank

The #MeToo campaign would have far more traction and common sense if it wasn't emanating and being promoted by Hollywood celebrities. If there is a town that should not be preaching to the rest of us about sexual exploitation and harassment it's Hollywood. They should start off with an apology and then shut up.

I agree.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...nstein-scandal

Bravo. "Witch hunt" was often on my mind when observing the excessive media hijacking and indoctrination campaigns that feminism is running since years, and that have climaxed a #MeToo campaign that has gone beyond all re dlines, it seems to me.

While I can agree the definition of rape has been substantially and inappropriately stressed, I'm not sure whether men deserve immunity for acts like:

when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss

or why the below should be considered legitimate

talking about intimate subjects during professional dinners or for sending sexually charged messages to women who did not return their attentions

Note how the quotation actually implies it is woman's fault for "not returning their attentions" and it is clear that talking about "intimate subjects during professional dinners" is, at the very least, unproductive and not conducive to the purpose of said dinner.

[em2nought]

The West doesn't have too much longer before in implodes. I'm headed for the Far East as soon as possible. I hope I get out in time.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

For those who want to pick apart the actual article on its merits instead of going off second-hand reports, here's a translation:
https://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-...herine-deneuve

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With both parties empowering women to become giants in society over men, it was only a matter of time before women became giants over men and began to squash men under their shoes. Who didn't see this coming decades ago?

Stupid men from both parties screaming at each other for decades over how they treat women.

The left, "We give our women the right to murder kids in the womb! She has post conception choice, a man does not. After all, that's equality! (derp)"

The right, "Oh yeah, well we show our women how to use firearms so they can shoot us dead in our sleep and claim domestic violence in the morning! And yeah, we probably deserved it because we hit them back after they hit us during the argument but a man never hits a woman because equality is what we're after. (derp)"

The left, "Oh yeah, well we're gonna make it a super crime for a man to hit, rape, or otherwise assault a woman in any way and call it VAWA laws just in case she doesn't kill you in your sleep so that you still go to jail for a long time and lose your gun rights if she accuses you in the morning of anything. This includes if she feels harassed/annoyed by you for anything at all! "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" (derp)"

The right, "Oh yeah, well, we agree with you on those VAWA laws because we want our women to be super empowered too over men all in the name of equality! (derp) OMG, Bill Clinton you stepped in your own landmine! Hehehehe! We love VAWA, till some woman uses it against us!" (derp)

In short, men on both sides are giving women all this power and then want to boohoo when women use the power to squash men. Men are dumb. That is all.

And I'm a guy and not afraid to admit men are dumb as hell. True, gluttons for punishment! But that's exactly what's gone on. And is still going on. Men just can't seem to give women enough on both sides of the isle. Making women super empowered over men by pretty much hamstringing boys and changing laws around to favor the female over the male in just about every aspect of daily life. And then wonder why no girl will date your loser unemployed son and how your employed lesbian daughter makes more money than you do. Men have been bending over backwards for women to appease their feminist whining and in the end, men will be broke and without jobs and women will have it all and then men will say, "Damn, what happened?"

Smart males work in male dominated fields and just become MGTOWs these days. Save up and buy a sex doll or visit pornhub and xhamsters for relief. Heck of a lot cheaper, never tells you no, never expects you to stop playing your video games to give her attention while kicking you off to some other room when she wants to watch her shows or whatever. Women treat men like such crap today it's amazing to me any man puts up with it. God gave you TWO hands and an imagination. You don't need a woman unless you just like heartache and pain and being broke all the time.

Seriously, just avoiding women is about the only way you can keep your nuts these days. Otherwise you're gonna have to kiss up and suck up to a woman who keeps your nuts in her purse and calls all the shots while she treats you like some disposable sex toy for herself. You have to hope and pray she doesn't want to murder your kid in her womb (after she originally and equally made it with you), doesn't want to accuse you of rape or DV to lock you away, or just flat out murders you and claims you were some monster to her so she walks and your name is forever soiled by her lie.

And this isn't to say that there are some terrible men in this world. But lets be honest, there's some terrible women too. I just think society has forgotten that last part. Seems like we've put women on a pedestal above ourselves for so long now and we're all wondering why they are crapping down on us like this. Well, that tends to happen when you hold something above yourself long enough. Women have lost all respect for men because men have lost all respect for themselves. When enough men go MGTOW you'll see women wanting equality. Till then, they're gonna accept the supremacy men have given them. They can't be on a pedestal if you don't put them on one.

[Skybird]

There is some truth in what somebody once said: you're either, by heart, a gentleman of manners and humour, or you are no man at all. Men abusing women - or the other way around! - are just malicous carricatures of a human.

BTW, how many here know that in practically all Wetsern countries the case numbers of home violence from females against males are bigger than the numbers describing home violence of males against females? And it is like this since at least 25 years - that was when I was first confronted with such statistics a psychology courses. Since then, every couple of years I snap up some media report here and there of latest research or crime statistics confirming this.

The hate on men and the disparaging of male characteristics and qualities also got pushed in the past 20 years by more and more feminising the boys at schools and demanding them to behave less boy-ish, and to adapt more to female behavioral characteristics. Research on education quality in public schools however tend to show that boys at school already now are massively disadvantaged compare to girls, and their scores and notes are inferior to that of girls, continuing to decline. Girls do better at our schools now, then boys, the mean values in their grades is higher.

Let boys be boys and girls be girls. And understand that both are not the same, from birth on, and gender is not somethign that you arbitrarily choose for yourself. You get provided one - by nature, genetically encoded. Send that flood of gender-equalizers back into the sea. In the end they are just brutal egoists who want to get as big as possible a bite off the cake, and get indeed an undeservdely big one, due to their huge lobby of poltical opportunists and hollow blokeheads in the media.

Manners and politeness, charms and knowing how to behave, humour and this certain kind of delicious tension, knowing the difference between flirting and inappropriate aggression - that is what it is about. And that cannot be taught by laws.

In sweden they want to get a new law through the parliament that criminalises all sexual intercourse, if before man lays down with women they have not expressed explicitly and laid down court-proof their consent to the action. Meine Fresse. Maybe I better marry a test tube in Sweden these days, than a woman.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by u crank

The #MeToo campaign would have far more traction and common sense if it wasn't emanating and being promoted by Hollywood celebrities. If there is a town that should not be preaching to the rest of us about sexual exploitation and harassment it's Hollywood. They should start off with an apology and then shut up.

This probably sums everything up in a logical and concise manner and makes more sense than anything I have been hearing out of Hollywood or the media lately.

[August]

Originally Posted by u crank

The #MeToo campaign would have far more traction and common sense if it wasn't emanating and being promoted by Hollywood celebrities. If there is a town that should not be preaching to the rest of us about sexual exploitation and harassment it's Hollywood. They should start off with an apology and then shut up.

Originally Posted by STEED

I agree.

Me too.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by August

Me too.

[August]

Originally Posted by u crank

I should have added a pound sign or hash mark tab or something like that!

[u crank]

Close enough.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The hate on men and the disparaging of male characteristics and qualities also got pushed in the past 20 years by more and more feminising the boys at schools and demanding them to behave less boy-ish, and to adapt more to female behavioral characteristics.

Wait a second. Let's be a little more specific as to what are these "boy-ish" and "female behaviorial characteristics". If for example, all boys like pulling girls' hair, that will make this behavior "boyish", but it doesn't mean such behavior shouldn't be suppressed.

Manners and politeness, charms and knowing how to behave, humour and this certain kind of delicious tension, knowing the difference between flirting and inappropriate aggression - that is what it is about. And that cannot be taught by laws.

While I don't like the way the criminal law is proceeding on the subject of rape, the question is what to do about "inappropriate aggression". I agree with the Manifesto to an extent, that "touching a woman's knee" (I assume with Absicht) for example should not be a "crime", but neither is it non-punishable behavior or lacking of unwert.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

I agree with the Manifesto to an extent, that "touching a woman's knee" (I assume with Absicht) for example should not be a "crime", but neither is it non-punishable behavior or lacking of unwert.

Punishment used to be a slap in the face or a heel dug in your foot. Seemed to work pretty good.