When is it British and when is it English ?

[mapuc]

This has confused me for quit a while, since I posted a comment in an old thread-it was about the Scottish referendum

In this comment I wrote England and was corrected "British thank you" followed with a ""

I was like !!??!! and I'll tell you why

Only a few days earlier I saw a political commentator on Danish TV saying
(First in Danish)

Cameron har lovet de engelske vælgere at de skal til afstemning om EU inden 2017.

In English
Cameron have promised the English voters there will be a referendum about EU before 2017.

And some minutes ago I saw another member writing England should build a wall in the Brexit-thread.

So you now you know why I'm confused

Markus

[STEED]

Having a joke with our resident Scottish poster.

Hadrian's Wall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall

The Contemplator's Short History of The Jacobite Uprisings

http://www.contemplator.com/history/jacobite.html

And now to confuse you more, Northerners drink soft tap water while us Southerns drink hard tap water.
http://filterbutler.com/blog/hard-wa...er-difference/

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This has confused me for quit a while, since I posted a comment in an old thread-it was about the Scottish referendum

In this comment I wrote England and was corrected "British thank you" followed with a ""

I was like !!??!! and I'll tell you why

Only a few days earlier I saw a political commentator on Danish TV saying
(First in Danish)

Cameron har lovet de engelske vælgere at de skal til afstemning om EU inden 2017.

In English
Cameron have promised the English voters there will be a referendum about EU before 2017.

And some minutes ago I saw another member writing England should build a wall in the Brexit-thread.

So you now you know why I'm confused

Markus

I may be wrong, but England, Scotland, Wales and a part of Ireland form a union called "United Kingdom" - or (Great) Britain. That alltogether is "British".

England is just one of these four entities forming Great Britian, and that is when you talk of "England, English".

Great Britian includes England, but England is not all Britain. Thats why they all have their own national teams as well, at least in football.

You can also differentiate the six "Celtic nations": Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Bretagne, and some small Isle that I now have forgotten. How "England" (which includes Cornwall and said Isle - Isle of Man, btw?) matches into this scheme, I do not know.

As I understand it, there is some - today light-handed - "animosity" between Englishmen and Scots, due to historic reasons (England oppressing Scotland for long time, "Braveheart" and all that stuff, and that was when it was much less light-handed an animosity ). Thats why you may have hit some nerve there, mapuc. As I see it, Scots are British - but NEVER ENGLISH. And if they leave the UK, they are not even that anymore.

[Betonov]

I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart.
I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian''
And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart.
I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian''
And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

Actually there were three kingdoms, those of the Slovenes - but also those of the Croats and Serbs. They were part of the Ottoman empire, later of the the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy.

[STEED]

As for the Welsh..

http://resources.woodlands-junior.ke...nionjack5.html

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Actually there were three kingdoms, those of the Slovenes - but also those of the Croats and Serbs. They were part of the Ottoman empire, later of the the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy.

Depends on the part of Yugoslavia.

Croatia and Slovenia were never Ottoman (raids not included), Bosnia and Macedonia were.
Croatia and Slovenia were under Austria, then Austria-Hungary and between world wars some parts were occupied by the Italians.

After WW1 the Country was briefly called kingdom of SHS (Serbs, Croats/Hrvati and Slovenes), before becoming the kingdom of Yugoslavia. SHS included all the later Yugoslav territories minus Istria.

under Titos Yugoslavia every state (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia) had a small level of autonomy and it really depended on the person of he considered himself Slovene or Yugoslav.
I'm guessing the same problem exists if a person delares himself British or English.

[Oberon]

And just to confuse things a bit more, throw in this:

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart.
I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian''
And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

An off topic story which i remembered when I read you comment

It was about 94-95 I lived in Sweden at that time.

I was studying in a school for grown-ups

In the beginning I met a person from former Yugoslavia

He said I'm from (forgot the name of the town)
I said Where in Yugoslavia is that ?

He looked at me with some angry eyes and said
It's Croatia, Yugoslavia does not exist anymore.

Now we jump forward some month
A new student had arrived
We became friends and one day I asked him where he came from

I'm from (sorry can't remember the name of the town)
I said isn't that somewhere in Serbia

His response
Yugoslavia thank you.

Markus

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by mapuc

An off topic story which i remembered when I read you comment

It was about 94-95 I lived in Sweden at that time.

I was studying in a school for grown-ups

In the beginning I met a person from former Yugoslavia

He said I'm from (forgot the name of the town)
I said Where in Yugoslavia is that ?

He looked at me with some angry eyes and said
It's Croatia, Yugoslavia does not exist anymore.

Now we jump forward some month
A new student had arrived
We became friends and one day I asked him where he came from

I'm from (sorry can't remember the name of the town)
I said isn't that somewhere in Serbia

His response
Yugoslavia thank you.

Markus

In the nineties, during the war, Serbia was still named Yugoslavia. And was at war wirh Croatia. So the Serb saying he's from Yugoslavia didn't mean the federation that existed between 1945-1991, but the smaller entity which later renamed itself to Serbia.
And the fact that they were at war with eachother, you're lucky that Croat didn't punch you.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I may be wrong, but England, Scotland, Wales and a part of Ireland form a union called "United Kingdom" - or (Great) Britain. That alltogether is "British".

England is just one of these four entities forming Great Britian, and that is when you talk of "England, English".

Great Britian includes England, but England is not all Britain. Thats why they all have their own national teams as well, at least in football.

You can also differentiate the six "Celtic nations": Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Bretagne, and some small Isle that I now have forgotten. How "England" (which includes Cornwall and said Isle - Isle of Man, btw?) matches into this scheme, I do not know.

As I understand it, there is some - today light-handed - "animosity" between Englishmen and Scots, due to historic reasons (England oppressing Scotland for long time, "Braveheart" and all that stuff, and that was when it was much less light-handed an animosity ). Thats why you may have hit some nerve there, mapuc. As I see it, Scots are British - but NEVER ENGLISH. And if they leave the UK, they are not even that anymore.

You are very correct Sky, I personally know some people in my locality who would have trouble bettering that explanation.

[Catfish]

So, what is Australia And Canada ? Never part of the UK (?), but belonged to the Commonwealth. But not anymore..

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So, what is Australia And Canada ? Never part of the UK (?), but belonged to the Commonwealth. But not anymore..

Now part of the Uncommonwealth. The Commonwealth is a total mystery to me. How does it work in a practical sense?

[Reece]

Basically we're still owned by England, we were discovered and settled by English settlers. Until we vote for our independence and become a republic we belong to the UK, I personally want our ties to persist if for no other reason than security.
America used to belong to England until their fight for independence.