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[Oberon]

An Egyptair flight from Paris to Cairo has disappeared from radar and has likely gone down in the Mediterrainean at some point between Cyprus and Egypt.

Live updates from the Beeb here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-36328976

I have a horrid feeling that the mods will be able to roll this over into the 'All Purpose Terrorism' thread in the near future given the aircrafts departure and destination points, but for now I'll put this seperately.

[Catfish]

Just read this..
Sources i read spoke of three persons belonging to security personnel, onboard.


And the other malaysian plane that went missing in indonesian/chinese waters some months ago has not been found up to now, and nobody knows what happened?

Maybe time for a better transponder/positioning device fitted to passenger planes.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

And the other malaysian plane that went missing in indonesian/chinese waters some months ago has not been found up to now, and nobody knows what happened?

Maybe time for a better transponder/positioning device fitted to passenger planes.

They have found bits of wreckage of MH370, but probably not enough to actually determine the cause of the aircrafts loss.

Sadly, some aircraft losses will remain a mystery, heck, there's an entire Boeing 727 that someone stole which has been missing for 13 years.

[Jimbuna]

The more incidents I learn of such as this reminds me of my lad who insists on only flying BA on his regular travels.

That is his mindset anyway.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

An Egyptair flight from Paris to Cairo has disappeared from radar and has likely gone down in the Mediterrainean at some point between Cyprus and Egypt.

Live updates from the Beeb here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-36328976

I have a horrid feeling that the mods will be able to roll this over into the 'All Purpose Terrorism' thread in the near future given the aircrafts departure and destination points, but for now I'll put this seperately.

Why is it a "horrid" feeling?

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Why is it a "horrid" feeling?

The horrid feeling is that this might not have been an accident but a terror strike.

[Catfish]

^ Some egyptian officials have just said that, but no evidence published (yet).

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

The horrid feeling is that this might not have been an accident but a terror strike.

I misread it, my apologies

[Skybird]

Me too thinks a terror strike is the most likely scenario, for two reasons.

First, if there is no distress call that got sent, whatever happened must have happened very fast. Engine fires and malfunctions usually do not lead that quickly to penultimate desaster that pilot and copilt cannot even release an emergency call. Which leaves some kind of explosive decompression as the top explanation.

Second, we are approaching summer holidays slowly but surely, and a major international sports event. And Muslim terror is locked in a fight with the Egyptian state for which tourism is a major source of income. Any attack reducing that income, is a blow to the Egyptian state.

Also there already have been attempted and successful attacks on airliners in Egypt recently.

From a Muslim terrorists POV , the chosen target makes sense. Plus revenge for Mursi and the MB, and all that.

Russian FSB also claims it to be a terror strike, but gives no evidence.

Other scenarios are possible explanations as well at this point of time. But the terror theory has the highest realistic probability of all possible scenarios one could imagine, currently. And the aircraft model, an A320, has a remarkable technical reliability record.

[Oberon]

Yeah, I think that it is the most likely explanation, however there are a lot of questions which hold me off being absolutely sure, the descent spiral just before the plunge into the sea and the fact that it took off from Charles de Gaulle airport and headed towards Egypt rather than the other way around.
Given that France has received two terror attacks and there's been an attack on a European airport fairly recently you'd expect security to be pretty tight at Charles de Gaulle.
The descent spiral, as shown in this Beeb graphic:



seem as though perhaps someone was still trying to keep control of it, however it's equally just possible that this was just the way the wind was affecting the aircrafts glide path as it descended out of control.

Sadly terrorism is the most likely option, although it is strange that no-one has claimed responsibility for it yet, normally Daesh and their ilk are all over something like this but they've been quiet, I guess it's possible that they're holding back while their operative gets clear, but who can say?

Either which way, a very tragic day.