You should not be so narrowminded, if you are an historian or an scientist

mapuc · 02-01-19, 06:32 PM

Yesterday I saw an episode of Ancient Impossible.
This episode made me remember an another episode of Ancient Aliens.

Lets start with this Ancient aliens.

In this episode they were investigating the building of this ancient building and as usual they come to the conclusion…Yes you guessed it-Aliens.

Back to yesterdays episode of this Program Ancient Impossible.

As the speaker said.
To find out how they manage to move this massive huge stone, we need to ask an engineer from that time period and we have found one. Here at Oxford library some of the oldest scripture from that period can be found.

They had put huge wooden wheel on each side of this massive stone.

So no aliens here. Just genuin smart engineering from that time period.

This show that as an historian or as an scientist you should not be narrowminded.

Markus

fireftr18 · 02-01-19, 10:14 PM

Reminds me of an observation I made a few years ago. In Bible study class, after going over the creation story in depth, I started thinking back to my science classes in school, and the recent science based TV shows. When looking at science and The Bible with an open mind, you can see that they compliment each other instead of contradicting each other.

Sailor Steve · 02-01-19, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fireftr18

When looking at science and The Bible with an open mind, you can see that they compliment each other instead of contradicting each other.

How so?

em2nought · 02-02-19, 12:30 AM

I think historians might be an endangered species. Unless they don't mind completely rewriting history if "anyone" finds it offensive.

FullMetalADCAP · 02-02-19, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

How so?

Sailor Steve · 02-02-19, 02:22 AM

My question was directed at the comment that the Bible and science compliment each other. Did Stephen Hawking say anything that supports that?

FullMetalADCAP · 02-02-19, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My question was directed at the comment that the Bible and science compliment each other. Did Stephen Hawking say anything that supports that?

Sweet baby Jesus give me the strength!

Eichhörnchen · 02-02-19, 04:58 AM

To my mind the only way that science and religion relate to one another is that they are both ways in which humans have tried to make sense of the world

Religion has enjoyed a symbiotic existense with the State in many countries through history, with each using the other to influence and control the population. I can't think that the same can be said of science and the State, except for the Nazis' use of 'science' as a means of oppression and control; was there any other time when science and scientists were given a political status?

Catfish · 02-02-19, 08:02 AM

"You should not be so narrowminded, if you are an historian or an scientist"
I guess this is mostly connected to non-scientists anyway

Skybird · 02-02-19, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FullMetalADCAP

Sweet baby Jesus give me the strength!

Is that all?

Aktungbby · 02-02-19, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FullMetalADCAP

Sweet baby Jesus give me the strength!

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My question was directed at the comment that the Bible and science compliment each other. Did Stephen Hawking say anything that supports that?

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

To my mind the only way that science and religion relate to one another is that they are both ways in which humans have tried to make sense of the world

Religion has enjoyed a symbiotic existense with the State in many countries through history, with each using the other to influence and control the population. I can't think that the same can be said of science and the State, except for the Nazis' use of 'science' as a means of oppression and control; was there any other time when science and scientists were given a political status?

THE MANHATTEN PROJECT

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Originally Posted by Catfish

"You should not be so narrowminded, if you are an historian or an scientist"
I guess this is mostly connected to non-scientists anyway

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Is that all?

AS NON-SCIENTIFIC HISTORIAN IN MY OWN RIGHT....IT'S ALL RELATIVE IMHO:

Rockstar · 02-02-19, 10:53 AM

One definition of God would be that Its non physical, It acts upon the physical, It created something from nothing and It predates the universe. The same definition can apply to the latest theory of the Quantum Fluctuation what some in science say was the source of the universe.

Both state the universe had a beginning.

Both state there was a process that followed.

One place they appear to diverge is Genesis states man was created whereas some in science say we evolved from a fish.

IMO there is absolutely no further detail in Genesis. As far as the 'six days' is concerned I know certain religions are unfortunately very dogmatic regarding that. What I know is what you think of that is dependent upon your ability to read the Hebrew text or which of the many translations you read.

I dont know about walking hand in hand IMO there only appears to be general similarities between it and our current thinking. I've said it before I'll say it again you cant extract any detail from Genesis. Oh and I used Genesis because its the one I'm most familiar with.

If it helps you sleep better at night believing it was God or a Quantum Fluctuation which started it all go for it.

FullMetalADCAP · 02-02-19, 11:35 AM

My post of Stephen Hawking (science) and the backdrop of hell (religion) was a JOKE of how science and religion compliment each other! My response to SS with the facepalm is how he didn'tget the joke and instead followed up my original post of Hawking in Hell with yet another serious question. Dont need PM warnings from Neal telling me I'm targeting SS. That's just yet ANOTHER false assumption! LIGHTEN UP!!!

Skybird · 02-02-19, 12:07 PM

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Reminds me of an observation I made a few years ago. In Bible study class, after going over the creation story in depth, I started thinking back to my science classes in school, and the recent science based TV shows. When looking at science and The Bible with an open mind, you can see that they compliment each other instead of contradicting each other.

Thats where you started, FullMetal ADCAP.

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When looking at science and The Bible with an open mind, you can see that they compliment each other instead of contradicting each other.

And thats what got Steve's and mine and some others'S alienated attention. Its a nonsense statement. And an affront to rational thinking and scientific methodology.

Humour as nothing to do with it. If it has, its so well hidden that nobody here seems to perceive it, with you being the exception maybe.

You could as well claim that astrology compliments physics and astronomy, if only you have an open mind. It doesn't. It corrupts it.

Catfish · 02-02-19, 12:07 PM

Do you believe in a hell outside of our real world?

02-01-19, 06:32 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,537 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	You should not be so narrowminded, if you are an historian or an scientist Yesterday I saw an episode of Ancient Impossible. This episode made me remember an another episode of Ancient Aliens. Lets start with this Ancient aliens. In this episode they were investigating the building of this ancient building and as usual they come to the conclusion…Yes you guessed it-Aliens. Back to yesterdays episode of this Program Ancient Impossible. As the speaker said. To find out how they manage to move this massive huge stone, we need to ask an engineer from that time period and we have found one. Here at Oxford library some of the oldest scripture from that period can be found. They had put huge wooden wheel on each side of this massive stone. So no aliens here. Just genuin smart engineering from that time period. This show that as an historian or as an scientist you should not be narrowminded. Markus

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fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Reminds me of an observation I made a few years ago. In Bible study class, after going over the creation story in depth, I started thinking back to my science classes in school, and the recent science based TV shows. When looking at science and The Bible with an open mind, you can see that they compliment each other instead of contradicting each other. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

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em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think historians might be an endangered species. Unless they don't mind completely rewriting history if "anyone" finds it offensive. __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage! Last edited by em2nought; 02-02-19 at 12:32 AM. Reason: structure

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	My question was directed at the comment that the Bible and science compliment each other. Did Stephen Hawking say anything that supports that? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,384 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	To my mind the only way that science and religion relate to one another is that they are both ways in which humans have tried to make sense of the world Religion has enjoyed a symbiotic existense with the State in many countries through history, with each using the other to influence and control the population. I can't think that the same can be said of science and the State, except for the Nazis' use of 'science' as a means of oppression and control; was there any other time when science and scientists were given a political status? __________________ Last edited by Eichhörnchen; 02-02-19 at 07:42 AM.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"You should not be so narrowminded, if you are an historian or an scientist" I guess this is mostly connected to non-scientists anyway __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One definition of God would be that Its non physical, It acts upon the physical, It created something from nothing and It predates the universe. The same definition can apply to the latest theory of the Quantum Fluctuation what some in science say was the source of the universe. Both state the universe had a beginning. Both state there was a process that followed. One place they appear to diverge is Genesis states man was created whereas some in science say we evolved from a fish. IMO there is absolutely no further detail in Genesis. As far as the 'six days' is concerned I know certain religions are unfortunately very dogmatic regarding that. What I know is what you think of that is dependent upon your ability to read the Hebrew text or which of the many translations you read. I dont know about walking hand in hand IMO there only appears to be general similarities between it and our current thinking. I've said it before I'll say it again you cant extract any detail from Genesis. Oh and I used Genesis because its the one I'm most familiar with. If it helps you sleep better at night believing it was God or a Quantum Fluctuation which started it all go for it.

02-02-19, 11:35 AM	#13
FullMetalADCAP Gunner Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 99 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	My post of Stephen Hawking (science) and the backdrop of hell (religion) was a JOKE of how science and religion compliment each other! My response to SS with the facepalm is how he didn'tget the joke and instead followed up my original post of Hawking in Hell with yet another serious question. Dont need PM warnings from Neal telling me I'm targeting SS. That's just yet ANOTHER false assumption! LIGHTEN UP!!!

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