U.S. search warrant can acquire foreign cloud, email data

[Skybird]

http://www.zdnet.com/u-s-search-warr...es-7000028828/

In principle the US claims the right to submit all the world to US law, and US law shall overrule international law. There can be no seriously meant doubt that it has not been US government services pressing for this rule by the court.

But at the same time Washington claims to defend the sovereignity of other nations. Which is a hilarious, ridiculous lie. What Washington wants is obedient vasalls that do what one tells them.

Before Europeans now mock: the EU wants this kind of total control and surveillance in Europe and beyond as well.

Maybe we need indeed a Butler's jihad, like imagined by Frank Herbert. Our modern hightech possibilities more and more are turned against the people and transformed into tools of surveillance, control and manipulation. This is no civilizational progress, but oppression and tyranny.

Especially impertinent is the formal reason for this court verdict: that formally interacting with foreign authorities would cause American law authorities a rise in workload, and thus it would be better to ignore international laws to save that step. Ehem - hello...? Somebody still sane and alive?

In the end, this will also backfire financially against US IT companies, who already are distrusted due to the datakrakening of US intel services and US legislation. Everybody still storing private or sensible data in the cloud, must have lost his marbles.

[Jimbuna]

In principle the US claims the right to submit all the world to US law, and US law shall overrule international law.

I doubt the likes of Putin will be phased

[swamprat69er]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.zdnet.com/u-s-search-warr...es-7000028828/

In principle the US claims the right to submit all the world to US law, and US law shall overrule international law.

But at the same time Washington claims to defend the sovereignity of other nations. Which is a hilarious, ridiculous lie. What Washington wants is obedient vasalls that do what one tells them.

Before Europeans now mock: the EU wants this kind of total control and surveillance in Europe and beyond as well.

This is no civilizational progress, but oppression and tyranny.

Didn't Hitler try something like this?

[Skybird]

No, Hitler never was after controlling the whole world.

Serious, after Snowdengate, Germany reassessed the threads several foreign nations pose to German politics and industry and business in form of hacking attacks and industrial espionage, and it was concluded that even before Russia or China, America now is the biggest attacker on Germany's cyber-infrastructure. We do not talk about about the potential to do so, but the quantity and qulity of actually carried out attacks.

America is the worst amongst all digital enemies striking at us - what kind of "partnership" is that meant to be? That renders the babbling about allied and befriended nations as useless and pointless.

Even more so since American demands for getting access to European banking data and American data-collection from tourists, have additionally been obeyed by the EU before (and served as a blueprint for the EU to implement such procedures against its subjects in Europe as well).

Add to all this the amount of private sensible data that too many people carelessly and voluntarily give away when using Google, Facebook, Twitter and the like - not just the info they knowingly enter, but the data that these companies extract from their systems without people being aware of it. Too many people think they are safe if they switch off just this or that option off. They are not, Google repeatedly featured dummy switches in the past, for example. The problem also is that too many people are more or less clueless regarding what these data can be used for, and to what a scaring degree they can be used to profile people and predict (and in the end: control and manipulate) their behavior, decisions, lives, if that is wanted.

Intel services and private business in the US have formed up an unholy alliance already long time ago. The protests voiced by Microsoft now, and others on different occasions, are just theatre play.

[Wolferz]

Well, Skybird...
Shakespeare said it best when he said "All the world's a stage"

Welcome to the theater of the absurd.

[Gargamel]

Read the article last night at work. It's just a preliminary ruling by the same magistrate that issued the warrant, so it's no surprise he ruled as such. M$ stated they are going to appeal, and it will go before higher judges. I doubt it will stand up under appeal.

[Wolferz]

No, Hitler never was after controlling the whole world.

It sure seems to me that his ultimate goal was stewardship over the entire planet. Damned tree huggin SOB!
What was he after if not that?

[TarJak]

Almost any "friendly" countriea search warrant can be e extended to overseas internet providers as long as they can convince a local jurisdiction to recognise that reasonable cause can be shown that evidence for a crime can be found in their jurisdiction.