Porpoise, Sargo or Salmon

Capt. EJ · 02-25-14, 10:50 AM

Hi all,

So decided to try a new carrier mode based on the asiatic fleet. For this campaign it will be the first time I will try with limited fuel, in fact the only none realistic item I plan to have is the external camera's (because I like pretty explosions) and map contacts (Because otherwise I would crash into china for some reason)

Now the venerable S-Class boat is a bit much for me at the moment given the limited fuel so the choice now is between the Porpose, Salmon or Sargo classes.

Just wanted to hear what skippers have experience in them and their thoughts? Not much I could find on the forums regarding these types. In fact, cannot find much info about them at all, just know that all are pretty similar but wondering if there are any noticable differences including crush depth, fuel economy, speed, dive rate etc?

Any insight would be appreciated!

Sniper297 · 02-25-14, 11:14 AM

Yes. To all questions, that is. It's a micro history of sub development, the S boat was a WWI design, Porpoise was the first US sub with a welded hull and 4 engines, classed as a fleet boat. Salmon was the next step up, slightly longer and heavier with more fuel for more range, and 8 torpedo tubes instead of 6. Torpedo storage was also better - Porpoise had 4 forward tubes with 12 fish, two aft tubes with four fish, total of 16 torpedoes to the S class 12 torpedoes. Salmon enlarged both torpedo rooms so they could add two more tubes aft and make storage space for 4 reloads aft and 10 forward, for a total of 22 torpedoes, only two less than the Gato.

Sargo fixed several design flaws (like the main induction valve problem which sunk the Squalus) and added a slightly thicker pressure hull (test depth was listed as 250 for both classes but the Sargo was actually tested at 300).

In game there's little difference between Salmon and Sargo, but the main thing is range and how many fish you can fire before you're out - 12 for the S class, 16 for the Porpoise, 22 for Salmon/Sargo. Would be nice if career had promotion into other subs instead of "keep this one or get new construction". IRL some S boat skippers took over a Porpoise or Sargo while the old captain of that clunker went to Groton for a new Gato, no option for that in SH4. To me a career would be more fun if you could work your way up in steps rather than jumping directly from S to Gato.

Capt. EJ · 02-25-14, 11:29 AM

Thanks for the great reply, very nicely outlined the differences between the classes. Thank you.

Kaleun · 02-25-14, 01:19 PM

Hi,

See this "Stickied" Thread for a little overview of all things "Pacific ww2 submarine campaign" based.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128185

Hope this helps

02-25-14, 10:50 AM	#1
Capt. EJ Watch Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 18 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Porpoise, Sargo or Salmon Hi all, So decided to try a new carrier mode based on the asiatic fleet. For this campaign it will be the first time I will try with limited fuel, in fact the only none realistic item I plan to have is the external camera's (because I like pretty explosions) and map contacts (Because otherwise I would crash into china for some reason) Now the venerable S-Class boat is a bit much for me at the moment given the limited fuel so the choice now is between the Porpose, Salmon or Sargo classes. Just wanted to hear what skippers have experience in them and their thoughts? Not much I could find on the forums regarding these types. In fact, cannot find much info about them at all, just know that all are pretty similar but wondering if there are any noticable differences including crush depth, fuel economy, speed, dive rate etc? Any insight would be appreciated!

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02-25-14, 11:14 AM	#2
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Yes. To all questions, that is. It's a micro history of sub development, the S boat was a WWI design, Porpoise was the first US sub with a welded hull and 4 engines, classed as a fleet boat. Salmon was the next step up, slightly longer and heavier with more fuel for more range, and 8 torpedo tubes instead of 6. Torpedo storage was also better - Porpoise had 4 forward tubes with 12 fish, two aft tubes with four fish, total of 16 torpedoes to the S class 12 torpedoes. Salmon enlarged both torpedo rooms so they could add two more tubes aft and make storage space for 4 reloads aft and 10 forward, for a total of 22 torpedoes, only two less than the Gato. Sargo fixed several design flaws (like the main induction valve problem which sunk the Squalus) and added a slightly thicker pressure hull (test depth was listed as 250 for both classes but the Sargo was actually tested at 300). In game there's little difference between Salmon and Sargo, but the main thing is range and how many fish you can fire before you're out - 12 for the S class, 16 for the Porpoise, 22 for Salmon/Sargo. Would be nice if career had promotion into other subs instead of "keep this one or get new construction". IRL some S boat skippers took over a Porpoise or Sargo while the old captain of that clunker went to Groton for a new Gato, no option for that in SH4. To me a career would be more fun if you could work your way up in steps rather than jumping directly from S to Gato.

02-25-14, 11:29 AM	#3
Capt. EJ Watch Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 18 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the great reply, very nicely outlined the differences between the classes. Thank you.

02-25-14, 01:19 PM	#4
Kaleun Chief Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 329 Downloads: 266 Uploads: 0	Hi, See this "Stickied" Thread for a little overview of all things "Pacific ww2 submarine campaign" based. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128185 Hope this helps