SH4 ME & Win 8

[cdrsubron7]

Just wondering if anyone has been able to use the Mission Editor from SH4 in Win 8? When I open it up and type in a starting date all I get is a black screen instead of the world map.

[Admiral Halsey]

I have the exact same problem.

[CalolinaCoyote]

I've been able to.

[cdrsubron7]

Originally Posted by CalolinaCoyote

I've been able to.

Are you doing anything out of the ordinary?

[CalolinaCoyote]

no, I just pick the date and it works.

[cdrsubron7]

Originally Posted by CalolinaCoyote

no, I just pick the date and it works.

Thanks, for the info.

[Rockin Robbins]

What in Sam hill are you guys doing with that abortion known as W8? I have a copy of W8.1 safety imprisoned in a Virtualbox virtual machine, from which it will never escape. At least Microsoft stole enough from Ubuntu to restore minimal function to the sub-operating system formerly known as Metro.

But Microsoft did NOT restore the start menu, so you're stuck with capet bombing your desktop with icons or using the search function to find programs by name, not the way humans work. What happened to the days when prompts let you know the possibilities of what the operating system and programs could do and we could operate sophisticated programs we aren't familiar with without cracking a manual?

Under that horrid shell lives a smaller faster and more capable kernel than Windows 7, but no one will ever care. Microsoft has well and truly screwed the pooch on this one! And we thought they'd never be able to top Windows 98 ME.

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

That in Sam hill are you guys doing with that abortion known as W8? I have a copy of W8.1 safety imprisoned in a Virtualbox virtual machine, from which it will never escape. At least Microsoft stole enough from Ubuntu to restore minimal function to the sub-operating system formerly known as Metro.

But Microsoft did NOT restore the start menu, so you're stuck with capet bombing your desktop with icons or using the search function to find programs by name, not the way humans work. What happened to the days when prompts let you know the possibilities of what the operating system and programs could do and we could operate sophisticated programs we aren't familiar with without cracking a manual?

Under that horrid shell lives a smaller faster and more capable kernel than Windows 7, but no one will ever care. Microsoft has well and truly screwed the pooch on this one! And we thought they'd never be able to top Windows 98 ME.

Wasn't the last update for it supposed to restore the start menu?

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

Wasn't the last update for it supposed to restore the start menu?

They lied. AGAIN! How many times can that happen before we run to Ubuntu? I played Counterstrike Source on Steam in Ubuntu yesterday and other than higher fps I couldn't tell the difference from Windows. Ubuntu is free,not over $100.00. That leaves a lot more money for games, doesn't it?

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

They lied. AGAIN! How many times can that happen before we run to Ubuntu? I played Counterstrike Source on Steam in Ubuntu yesterday and other than higher fps I couldn't tell the difference from Windows. Ubuntu is free,not over $100.00. That leaves a lot more money for games, doesn't it?

I don't use my computer for much more then gaming so it seems like i'm stuck with Windows for now.

[Rockin Robbins]

At least get a REAL operating system. Windows 7 is great. Buy it before it's gone. Microsoft will get tired of trying to convince us and will just remove all other choices soon in desperation to separate our money from our wallets.

Lenovo still sells computers with Windows 7 for $50.00 more than W8. They still sell more Windows 7. Should tell them something but Microsoft has lost all respect for customers.

[Admiral Halsey]

Eh I still have my old computer that has Vista on it so if a game that works on that doesn't work on this one I can still play it.

[in_vino_vomitus]

I have W8 on my machine and it has the start menu - also have no probs with the mission editor, apart from I don't know how to use it properly yet.

FWIW I have all my installs on the D:\ drive, but I can't see that making a difference - although I'm frequently wrong about these things.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by in_vino_vomitus

I have W8 on my machine and it has the start menu - also have no probs with the mission editor, apart from I don't know how to use it properly yet.

FWIW I have all my installs on the D:\ drive, but I can't see that making a difference - although I'm frequently wrong about these things.

What are you calling "the start menu?" Windows 8 has no start menu at all. The only way to pick real computer programs is the aforementioned carpet bombing your desktop or hit the Windows key and start typing the program name.

The only way to get some kind of start menu back is to load external software that kind of simulates a start menu. Why bother? Get a real operating system. I just bought a copy of Windows 7 for $69. It will sit on a shelf until Microsoft makes its customer friendly move to force all of us XP users to buy Windows 8. Then I'll install 7 and laugh in their general direction.

Just last night I had three S3D windows open, a Notepad++ window open and JSGME, all tiled nicely so I could truly multi-task and cut/paste between them. My desktop has rotating multiple 1600x900 millions of colors photos. What do I want with a 16 color monochrome Lego block monstrosity? My computer is a COMPUTER and it will never be a cell phone. How dare they try to nerf what I spent all this time buying and building? How dare they try to force me to buy what I will not permit on my computer because they can't convince anybody to buy it?

Even at the cost of losing SH4, I'd abandon Windows altogether and go to Linux (Ubunto distro) if I were left with a W8 or nothing choice from Microsoft. Steam is making more and more commercial games available on Linux and they play as well or better.

Even when Ubuntu first came out with the Unity GUI, where the first iteration was a rectangular array of tiles (over a good wallpaper of your choice unlike W8) alphabetically arrayed, there was a revolution. Actually, that is the case in Android now: little or no functional classification, just alphabetical array. The screaming was deafening. And Ubuntu's parent company, Canonical, listened. Today, Unity is a decade ahead of W8 and that assumes that Microsoft gives a rat's patootie about their customers, which remains to be proven.

But in Linux, there is a beautiful thing. You can choose from many different GUIs: KDE, Gnome, XFCE, there are dozens! It is as if you had W8's admittedly very excellent kernel and then could decide "I want the hideous (can't call it Metro) Lego block GUI!" or "Windows 7 interface it is" or "I liked how XP worked" and load up that exact interface. W8 would LOOK like XP but under the hood you would have this snarling 64 cylinder motor that blows XP in the weeds.

Well, Linux has had that exact function since the 1990s. You make your operating system work on the front end exactly how you like. Every time you log in, you can actually choose between all the available GUIs. I can even load up a GUI from another Linux distro in Ubuntu.

And of course, in the free virtual machine software, VirtualBox, I can run a copy of Windows inside Ubuntu if I need Windows for SH4. I bet you didn't know that Firefox is a refugee from Linux and it saves you from Internet Exploder prison.

My computer right now is set up for dual boot. When I'm on the Internet, chances are I'm running Ubuntu because it is totally immune from all that crazy malware. Tons of advantages to being a rebel and telling Microsoft to learn how to spell "Customer." And you don't need to miss a thing.

[in_vino_vomitus]

Wow!! - this is embarrassing - I appear to be running W7 after all, just a different version to the one on my previous machine - I've no idea how I could have thought otherwise, given the Windows 7 sticker on the casing. I'll shut up now........