"Men -- the new second class citizens"

[garren]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...lass-citizens/

Now that she mentions it...

[Wolferz]

Faux news, Garren?
What are you doing to yourself?
That'll be enough of that young man.

[AVGWarhawk]

Must be the he mans woman hater day or something. Second thread on woman posted by garren. Need to get something off your chest?

[garren]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Must be the he mans woman hater day or something. Second thread on woman posted by garren. Need to get something off your chest?

It's hating on women to cite news that men are second class citizens? Can't challenge women on anything without it being taken as hate? Yet those on the left like Nancy Pelosi can say that women need even more?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/2...l#.Ue_ZWZ0o6VO

There's no hate in feminism excluding half the human race? How is any group or movement that focuses solely on itself not a hate group? The KKK is solely focuses on the empowerment of whites. Feminism is solely focused on the empowerment of females. "White power" and "Girl power" have a distinctly similar ring to them.

Besides, I thought women were already dominating men and handing them their butts. That's what this article from a liberal news outlet claimed a few years ago...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...of-men/308135/

Now those on the left are saying that women need more empowerment?

I see the left using gender politics here. They created this "War on women" nonsense because some on the right challenged the abortion laws. Leftist feminists do not want men to have a say in issues like abortion. Of course they used men (an all male justice system in the 70s) to get Roe vs Wade passed. So as long as men are willing to give women power they are fine with it. But if any man challenges women on it - he's a woman hater?

I just see where this is going. I'm all for equality but I find it funny how I'm often having to hold feminists to equality when they claim that's all they are about.

[AVGWarhawk]

Women have been second class citizens forever. In so much that one was brushed under the carpet by her own party so a black man could run and win the WH. Digest that for awhile. Funny, now it's Hillary's turn?

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Women have been second class citizens forever.

Really? Would you have told Catherine II or Hapshetsut or Wu Zetian that? Women have always been part of the power structure, and often the head of it, throughout history. They have done so without relying on their "husband" to gain / maintain power.

There has been sexual discrimination in history - on BOTH sides of the fence. Like most things, its something that increases at times and decreases at others.

Being unable to see past "recent" history blinds people and creates more of that pendulum swing than is necessary - it causes people to over-react to try and "cure" the problem, resulting in going to far the other way.

In so much that one was brushed under the carpet by her own party so a black man could run and win the WH. Digest that for awhile. Funny, now it's Hillary's turn?

Wow, one person in a political primary that more than half the nation could not be involved in (since the D's don't let independents and republicans vote in their primary) somehow is substantial proof that the entire nation - nay the world - is still sexist against women? I don't think so...

Hillary lost not be cause she is a woman (though I still say she has more testicular fortitude than many men), but because her party saw a PR opportunity they deemed greater and better for them. While one can argue that she got railroaded, it wasn't because of her plumbing.

The point here is that the pendulum has swung too far. That isn't hating on women - its recognition that if women want true equality - then they cannot be a "protected class" - either under the law or in the eyes of society. If they remain as such - how are they truly equal?

[garren]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Women have been second class citizens forever. In so much that one was brushed under the carpet by her own party so a black man could run and win the WH. Digest that for awhile. Funny, now it's Hillary's turn?

So political jobs are what constitute what makes an equal society? Why not education jobs where women hold over 80% of those jobs? Politician serve "The people" - and this includes men and women alike. They are voted into office by men and women alike - not just men. So political jobs are not a good indicator as to what constitutes "equality" between the sexes. Men in politics created the Violence Against Women's Act. Doesn't benefit you as a man but you sure pay for it through your taxes. If your wife beats you then you're not going to get any help with the Violence Against Women's Act. No shelters for you either as a man. But there are thousands of them for women. Yet new studies suggest that domestic violence is about 50/50. Some suggests that women might actually abuse men more often. But men do more damage to women when they hit.



But notice how female politicians talk about "Women only" agendas. This is not equality. It would be like voting in a black politician that's made comments like he's going to do more for blacks than whites. Think that's fair? No way.

I've never heard a male politician in modern times talk about "men only" agendas or to help out men in larger society who are not equal with women in certain areas of life.

Women have always been 2nd class citizens? If being pandered to and coddled is your definition of 2nd class then you're thinking is very askew. One sex is being forced to protect and serve the other. Men are being forced to protect and serve women. That's obviously what you believe is equality with your - he chose to be her personal lapdog when he married her in the other thread about never marrying an American woman.

Who's done the bulk of the fighting and dying in combat? Men - and why is that? Because men are the only sex that's been deemed by other men as "expendable" by government and are therefore draftable into the wars the government chooses to get involved in. And let's not forget that if a male doesn't sign his draft card within 30 days of his 18th birthday he can not hold a government job or get loans to college whereas women can without having to sign their lives away to the government that benefits them the most.

So Hilary Clinton who never signed a draft card, never served her country in the military, should be in a position over the lives of men in the country who've been mandated to do more for their country than she ever did? The woman rode her husband's coattails into power.

Lastly, the women of today are not the women of the past. They have every opportunity men have today and very little of the responsibility that goes with any of it. When the bills don't get paid who does society come after? The man of the house. When the grass isn't mowed outside and people drive by, who do they think is the lazy one in the house? The man. But you may have worked it out with your wife that you do the dishes and vacuuming while it's her responsibility to mow the lawn.

How about instead of just giving women power through laws that discriminate against men and give women special incentives to succeed, they actually earn it on their own through their own merit? That's all I ask of them. Don't bring special attention to yourselves as women and whine that women long ago were 2nd class citizens those evil menfolk from the past chose to fight and die for in combat. LOL! What a joke. And what's good about earning your place on your own merit is you can claim you did it all on your own and didn't have any special governmental incentives that cheated in your sex's or race's favor.

[Jimbuna]

Oh dear....and another one.